[VoiceOps] Ray Baum's act and all-softphone deployments

Aaron C. de Bruyn aaron at heyaaron.com
Mon Sep 27 17:33:13 EDT 2021


In my experience, they are never dispatched to GPS coordinates.  The PSAP
gets the coordinates automatically pulled up in their mapping system
showing the closest address.

The only time I've ever exchanged raw GPS coordinates was in ~2003 when the
Garmin was out of batteries, and the spare was missing from a rescue
vehicle and we were trying to tell a helicopter where we were.
I had 1/16th of a bar of service and managed to hit the neighboring 911
center.  I asked them for my coordinates.  They had to go to some special
screen to give them to me, and then I relayed them to Life Flight.
They were off by about 500 feet, but there was only one clearing in a sea
of trees, and we had flares.

-A

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 2:18 PM Jay Hennigan via VoiceOps <
voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

> On 9/27/21 13:34, Mark Lindsey via VoiceOps wrote:
> > In the top 25 cellular market areas, nationwide cell phone providers are
> > already required to provide Z-axis (elevation) data within 3 meters for
> > 80% of calls [for compatible devices].  The requirements increase each
> > year; by 2026, /all/ cellular providers are required to provide z-axis
> > precision for dispatchable location of +/- 3 meters everywhere in the US.
> >
> > This is all in addition to providing +/- 50 meter horizontal (x, y axis,
> > also known as latitude and longitude) precision for 911 calls.
>
> Interesting as elevation accuracy for GPS is worse than lat/long.
>
> So when first responders get dispatched to 34.2270545 degrees north,
> 117.6422397 degrees west, 538 meters AMSL, where do they go? (I just
> randomly typed those numbers so if it's under a mountain don't blame me.)
>
> Considering just the x/y axis, determining the right room or suite in a
> large single-story office building, factory or warehouse is going to be
> a challenge. In a huge multi-story high-rise with poor to no internal
> GPS reception it's going to be nearly impossible. Especially if it's in
> the middle of a bunch of other high-rise buildings with corresponding
> multipath and reflections.
>
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