[VoiceOps] Request to block number?

Wed Sep 20 13:07:26 EDT 2023

It is, and there's a family of youtube streamers out there who make a living doing it (Pierogi at Scammer Payback for example).

One of those interesting instances where laws differ between countries.

On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

List messages often arrive out of order for me, and I think that happened here.  I may have been misquoting.  But yeah, I’ve never heard of a law against sharing lawful recordings.

I think it should be legal for me to publicize recordings of me harassing scammers, right?

On Sep 20, 2023 at 9:07:22 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
I thought I stated the recording law accurately?

I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording per se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As far as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute against this as long as the recording was legally made in the first place.

-- Alex

On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:

I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of).  There are only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single party.  You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not involved, and they don’t know you’re recording.

It leads to a complexity that I’m trying to help a customer with now.  What if someone in AZ (single party) calls a person in CA (all party)?  Further, what if the server is in AZ, but the caller is in an all party state, and they call a single party state?  Etc.

On Sep 20, 2023 at 2:16:02 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
> Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if consent was obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific prohibition against publicising it that I'm aware of.
>
> —
> Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>> kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call publicly on this list. For the record, I did not listen to it.
>> Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how serious the infringement is.
>>
>> About the US laws you know of course better, I was just surprised.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Henning
>>
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>>
>> From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org>> On Behalf Of Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps
>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 19:32
>> To: Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com<mailto:caalvarez at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?
>>
>> Here is another link if that one didn't work -
>>
>> https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST-EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:19 PM Christopher Aloi <ctaloi at gmail.com<mailto:ctaloi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I appreciate the concern, and the thought crossed our minds.  He called twice and once ended up in sales and once in support and he didn't seem to be interested in who he spoke with.
>>
>> Here is a recording of the call..
>>
>> https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layouts/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocuments%2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
>> Is it possible that he’s fixated on a specific employee?  Not to be alarmist, but it’s worth asking around.  I once had a situation where I noticed some crazy calling activity in a log, just by coincidence, and found that an employee was being stalked/harassed.
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2023 at 10:08:33 AM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
>> Ha!  He did say "he has no self control".  Maybe just someone with some mental challenges.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:05 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
>> Does your company provide anything of interests to addicts, or anyone with a compulsive habit they are trying to kick? (e.g. compulsive shopping for new VoIP handsets)
>>
>> > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops at voiceops.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey All,
>> >
>> > I have a new one.
>> >
>> > We (hosted phone provider) have received three calls today from an individual asking us to block him from calling our company.  I can't figure out his end game.  He's tried multiple times and didn't explain why when questioned.  He said multiple times he wanted his number to be blocked from calling our company.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > Could it be a social engineering attempt?  What for?
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
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