[VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, for sure. If the technical capabilities don't exist, it'll never happen. If they do, it probably still won't happen, but for other reasons. I was just meaning from the "spending a dime" aspect. 




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From: "Alex Balashov" <abalashov at evaristesys.com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> 
Cc: "Paul Timmins" <paul at timmins.net>, voiceops at voiceops.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 6:40:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP 


This is far from assured. 


But even where so, you must surely be aware that technical capabilities alone dictate very little in this world. First and foremost are political, economic, bureaucratic, and regulatory considerations. Whether some piece of equipment can technically do something is almost beside the point to the decision-making process in large organisations. 



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Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors. 



On Dec 5, 2024, at 6:41 PM, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote: 




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Are they not already running SIP capable switches at tandem sites? 




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From: "Paul Timmins via VoiceOps" <voiceops at voiceops.org> 
To: "Enzo Damato" <edamato at ricetelecom.net> 
Cc: voiceops at voiceops.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:45:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP 

To be honest? I'll bet they get rid of the concepts of ILEC/RBOC and CLEC before we see them step away from T1 trunking. They don't want to sink another penny into their legacy networks and they don't want to run tandems for everyone else. Anything they can do to push you away from connecting to the old stuff they will. 


-Paul 




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On Dec 5, 2024, at 14:31, Enzo Damato via VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote: 


Well, that sucks. Did I miss some VZ news that would have affected this? 


With Frontier pushing this off however, I wonder which ROBC will be the first to break and offer SIP interconnection. It has to happen at some point, although at this rate, I'm not sure if "sometime this decade" is too much to hope for. 


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Enzo Damato 


On 12/5/24 13:25, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps wrote: 

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This will no longer happen in 2025. Not sure if it's related to Verizon or not. 




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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mary Lou Carey" <marylou at backuptelecom.com> 
To: "Nick Olsen" <nick at 141networks.com> 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <voiceops at ics-il.net> , "voiceops" <voiceops at voiceops.org> 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:41:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Frontier TDM -> SIP 

Maybe they finally realized they were giving all their business away to 
Sinch and InfoBip and that it was going to start costing them money if 
they didn't move away from SS7. After all who has more switches to pay 
for than the ILECs and RBOCs? 

MARY LOU CAREY 
BackUP Telecom Consulting 
Office: 615-791-9969 
Cell: 615-796-1111 

On 2024-04-17 06:44 PM, Nick Olsen via VoiceOps wrote: 
> We heard the same thing in the Tampa Market from Frontier. I don't 
> remember the details outside of for the first time ever, an iLEC 
> didn't just have a hard no response. 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:58 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps 
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote: 
> 
>> During a conversation between one of my staff and our Frontier rep 
>> with the context of moving our TDM tandem connections to IP (which I 
>> thought was on par with a cold day in hell), our Frontier rep said 
>> they were investigating SIP trunking for a possible early 2025 
>> introduction. Given that they already sell retail SIP trunking 
>> services, I'm optimistic that this might actually happen. 
>> 
>> Have any of you heard anything on this topic? 
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