[cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection and Unity

[Jonathan Charles]

Yes, but I can install failover pairs in cities around the world to the same
Unity organization... with no theoretical limit on maximum size.



Jonathan


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Matthew Saskin <matt at saskin.net> wrote:

> All the various tools for CUC 2.x are built into the RTMT.  Yes, you use
> the same RTMT to connect to CUC and CallManager.
>
> Also in reference to an earlier post, you can't officially split Unity FO
> pairs between multiple data centers.  Last I looked at the SRND they need
> 100mbps lan between the boxes.  That said, I've done it with very mixed
> results in the past.
>
> -matt
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>> At least on UC 1.2x, it has a call viewer, port status monitor, and can
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>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Charles
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
>> *To:* Tim Smith
>> *Cc:* JASON BURWELL; Cisco VoIP
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection and Unity
>>
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>> To be honest, all this being said, I would  much rather deploy/manage
>> Unity than UC...
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>> First off, no real tools in UC to diagnose a problem (no call viewer, no
>> port status monitor...) and it has that silly SFTP-only backup solution.
>>
>> Also, it seems childish... this may be mystique, but when I see CUC on a
>> site, I assume they were too cheap to buy Unity...
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>> However, for VM-only it is a decent idea... doesn't make much sense to buy
>> full-blown Unity, with Windows 2003, Exchange and SQL licensing, just to
>> give voicemail to 100 users.
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>> To be honest, I really don't deal with small customers that would think
>> CUC would be a solution... the one time I did do a CUC install, the customer
>> bought IMAP licenses (so it was the same price as Unity) and they complained
>> constantly about how awful IMAP was...
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>> Jonathan
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>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tim Smith <thsglobal at gmail.com <mailto:
>> thsglobal at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> No resilience in Unity Connection (currently) - heard rumours it should be
>> there in version 7.
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>> No networking in Unity Connection (again currently) - so it is stand
>> alone.
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>> Unity can support Domino as a message store in both VM or UM - done this a
>> couple of times, and I hate it.. just quietly :)
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>> Unity is more scalable.. as already mentioned.
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>> UC is voicemail in a box.. quick and easy to setup and manage.. no
>> Microsoft skills required anymore..
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>> Simple voice mail, and you are under the right number of users (and you
>> can live with no resilience for now) - then UC is a good choice. The
>> appliance model is great. It also has some of the advanced features that
>> some of your users may require. I think someone already mentioned there is
>> some cool integration with Exchange calendars and personal call routing
>> rules.
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>> Unity is an "adventure" to setup and manage :) and will usually require
>> Microsoft integration skills as well..
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>> Unity has lots of flexibility for deployment options to consider also..
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>> If you have a large complex deployment, sure you could end up with
>> multiple UC servers. But more likely you would look at full Unity, and run
>> failover pairs split across 2 x data centers..
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>> And of course if you want voicemail, email and faxes to all co-exist in 1
>> big mailbox for each user.. then you have no choice.. Unity all the way.
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>> If you do talk Unity to a customer, you need to discuss thoroughly the
>> possible impact and integration with their existing network..
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>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Tim
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>> On 8/6/08, *JASON BURWELL* <JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com <mailto:
>> JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com>> wrote:
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>>    *Table 4.* Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging Products
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>>    *Product*
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>>    *Number of Users*
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>>    *E-Mail Integration Options*
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>>    *Networking to Other Voicemail Systems*
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>>    *Integration with Third-Party Call Processing*
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>>    *Speech Recognition*
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>>    Cisco Unity Express
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>>    Up to 250
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>>    Integrated
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>>    Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
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>>    No
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>>    No
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>>    Cisco Unity Connection
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>>    Up to 7500
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>>    Integrated
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>>    Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
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>>    Yes, with most traditional and IP private branch exchanges (PBXs)
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>>    Yes
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>>    Cisco Unity Unified Messaging
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>>    7500 per server, networked to 250,000
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>>    Integrated and Unified Messaging (Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes,
>>    or Novell GroupWise)
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>>    Yes, with Voice Profile for Internet Mail (VPIM), Audio Messaging
>>    Interchange Specification (AMIS), Cisco Unity Bridge, etc.
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>>    Yes, with most traditional and IP PBXs
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>>    Yes
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>>    Found at this link
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>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/product_data_sheet0900aecd80410ad6_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html
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>>    Jason Burwell
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>>    Telecom Network Administrator
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>>    Founders Federal Credit Union
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>>    <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>] *On Behalf Of *Aman Chugh
>>    *Sent:* Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:20 PM
>>    *To:* cisco voip
>>    *Subject:* [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection and Unity
>>
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>>    I have always tried to understand what is the difference between
>>    Unity Connection and Unity and when to sell Unity and Unity
>>    Connection . Looking for differences in architecture of these
>>    applications and how they work with Exchange.
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>>    TIA
>>    Aman
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