[cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection and Unity
Matthew Saskin
matt at saskin.net
Thu Aug 7 15:52:46 EDT 2008
What does that get you though? A unity pair in one location is still a
single point of failure if it serves users outside of that location.
Jonathan Charles wrote:
> Yes, but I can install failover pairs in cities around the world to the
> same Unity organization... with no theoretical limit on maximum size.
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> Jonathan
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> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Matthew Saskin <matt at saskin.net
> <mailto:matt at saskin.net>> wrote:
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> All the various tools for CUC 2.x are built into the RTMT. Yes, you
> use the same RTMT to connect to CUC and CallManager.
>
> Also in reference to an earlier post, you can't officially split
> Unity FO pairs between multiple data centers. Last I looked at the
> SRND they need 100mbps lan between the boxes. That said, I've done
> it with very mixed results in the past.
>
> -matt
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> At least on UC 1.2x, it has a call viewer, port status monitor,
> and can backup directly to anywhere without SFTP. Has all that
> changed with the 2.x appliance version?
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> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>] *On Behalf Of
> *Jonathan Charles
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
> *To:* Tim Smith
> *Cc:* JASON BURWELL; Cisco VoIP
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection
> and Unity
>
>
> To be honest, all this being said, I would much rather
> deploy/manage Unity than UC...
>
> First off, no real tools in UC to diagnose a problem (no call
> viewer, no port status monitor...) and it has that silly
> SFTP-only backup solution.
>
> Also, it seems childish... this may be mystique, but when I see
> CUC on a site, I assume they were too cheap to buy Unity...
>
> However, for VM-only it is a decent idea... doesn't make much
> sense to buy full-blown Unity, with Windows 2003, Exchange and
> SQL licensing, just to give voicemail to 100 users.
>
> To be honest, I really don't deal with small customers that
> would think CUC would be a solution... the one time I did do a
> CUC install, the customer bought IMAP licenses (so it was the
> same price as Unity) and they complained constantly about how
> awful IMAP was...
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> Jonathan
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> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tim Smith <thsglobal at gmail.com
> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com
> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com>>> wrote:
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> No resilience in Unity Connection (currently) - heard rumours it
> should be there in version 7.
>
> No networking in Unity Connection (again currently) - so it is
> stand alone.
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> Unity can support Domino as a message store in both VM or UM -
> done this a couple of times, and I hate it.. just quietly :)
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> Unity is more scalable.. as already mentioned.
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> UC is voicemail in a box.. quick and easy to setup and manage..
> no Microsoft skills required anymore..
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> Simple voice mail, and you are under the right number of users
> (and you can live with no resilience for now) - then UC is a
> good choice. The appliance model is great. It also has some of
> the advanced features that some of your users may require. I
> think someone already mentioned there is some cool integration
> with Exchange calendars and personal call routing rules.
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> Unity is an "adventure" to setup and manage :) and will usually
> require Microsoft integration skills as well..
>
> Unity has lots of flexibility for deployment options to consider
> also..
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> If you have a large complex deployment, sure you could end up
> with multiple UC servers. But more likely you would look at full
> Unity, and run failover pairs split across 2 x data centers..
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> And of course if you want voicemail, email and faxes to all
> co-exist in 1 big mailbox for each user.. then you have no
> choice.. Unity all the way.
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>
> If you do talk Unity to a customer, you need to discuss
> thoroughly the possible impact and integration with their
> existing network..
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>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Tim
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> On 8/6/08, *JASON BURWELL* <JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com
> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com>
> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com
> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com>>> wrote:
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> *Table 4.* Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging Products
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> *Product*
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> *Number of Users*
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> *E-Mail Integration Options*
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> *Networking to Other Voicemail Systems*
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> *Integration with Third-Party Call Processing*
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> *Speech Recognition*
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> Cisco Unity Express
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> Up to 250
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> Integrated
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> Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
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> No
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> No
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> Cisco Unity Connection
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> Up to 7500
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> Integrated
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> Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
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> Yes, with most traditional and IP private branch exchanges (PBXs)
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> Yes
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> Cisco Unity Unified Messaging
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> 7500 per server, networked to 250,000
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> Integrated and Unified Messaging (Microsoft Exchange, Lotus
> Notes,
> or Novell GroupWise)
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> Yes, with Voice Profile for Internet Mail (VPIM), Audio Messaging
> Interchange Specification (AMIS), Cisco Unity Bridge, etc.
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> Yes, with most traditional and IP PBXs
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> Yes
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> Found at this link
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> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/product_data_sheet0900aecd80410ad6_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html
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> Jason Burwell
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> Telecom Network Administrator
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> Founders Federal Credit Union
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> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>>] *On Behalf Of
> *Aman Chugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:20 PM
> *To:* cisco voip
> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection
> and Unity
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> I have always tried to understand what is the difference between
> Unity Connection and Unity and when to sell Unity and Unity
> Connection . Looking for differences in architecture of these
> applications and how they work with Exchange.
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> TIA
> Aman
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