[cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection and Unity
Pat Hayes
pat-cv at wcyv.com
Thu Aug 7 19:08:56 EDT 2008
Just wanted to drop this link as I didn't see anyone mention it yet. Feature
by feature comparison of Unity, UC, and CUE:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6789/ps5745/ps2237/product_data_sheet0900aecd806bfc37_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Matthew Saskin <matt at saskin.net> wrote:
> What does that get you though? A unity pair in one location is still a
> single point of failure if it serves users outside of that location.
>
>
> Jonathan Charles wrote:
>
>> Yes, but I can install failover pairs in cities around the world to the
>> same Unity organization... with no theoretical limit on maximum size.
>>
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>>
>> Jonathan
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>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Matthew Saskin <matt at saskin.net <mailto:
>> matt at saskin.net>> wrote:
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>> All the various tools for CUC 2.x are built into the RTMT. Yes, you
>> use the same RTMT to connect to CUC and CallManager.
>>
>> Also in reference to an earlier post, you can't officially split
>> Unity FO pairs between multiple data centers. Last I looked at the
>> SRND they need 100mbps lan between the boxes. That said, I've done
>> it with very mixed results in the past.
>>
>> -matt
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>> At least on UC 1.2x, it has a call viewer, port status monitor,
>> and can backup directly to anywhere without SFTP. Has all that
>> changed with the 2.x appliance version?
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>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>
>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Jonathan Charles
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:51 AM
>> *To:* Tim Smith
>> *Cc:* JASON BURWELL; Cisco VoIP
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection
>> and Unity
>>
>> To be honest, all this being said, I would much rather
>> deploy/manage Unity than UC...
>>
>> First off, no real tools in UC to diagnose a problem (no call
>> viewer, no port status monitor...) and it has that silly
>> SFTP-only backup solution.
>>
>> Also, it seems childish... this may be mystique, but when I see
>> CUC on a site, I assume they were too cheap to buy Unity...
>>
>> However, for VM-only it is a decent idea... doesn't make much
>> sense to buy full-blown Unity, with Windows 2003, Exchange and
>> SQL licensing, just to give voicemail to 100 users.
>>
>> To be honest, I really don't deal with small customers that
>> would think CUC would be a solution... the one time I did do a
>> CUC install, the customer bought IMAP licenses (so it was the
>> same price as Unity) and they complained constantly about how
>> awful IMAP was...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tim Smith <thsglobal at gmail.com
>> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:thsglobal at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> No resilience in Unity Connection (currently) - heard rumours it
>> should be there in version 7.
>>
>> No networking in Unity Connection (again currently) - so it is
>> stand alone.
>>
>> Unity can support Domino as a message store in both VM or
>> UM -
>> done this a couple of times, and I hate it.. just quietly :)
>>
>> Unity is more scalable.. as already mentioned.
>>
>> UC is voicemail in a box.. quick and easy to setup and
>> manage..
>> no Microsoft skills required anymore..
>>
>> Simple voice mail, and you are under the right number of users
>> (and you can live with no resilience for now) - then UC is a
>> good choice. The appliance model is great. It also has some of
>> the advanced features that some of your users may require. I
>> think someone already mentioned there is some cool integration
>> with Exchange calendars and personal call routing rules.
>>
>> Unity is an "adventure" to setup and manage :) and will
>> usually
>> require Microsoft integration skills as well..
>>
>> Unity has lots of flexibility for deployment options to consider
>> also..
>>
>> If you have a large complex deployment, sure you could end
>> up
>> with multiple UC servers. But more likely you would look at full
>> Unity, and run failover pairs split across 2 x data centers..
>>
>> And of course if you want voicemail, email and faxes to all
>> co-exist in 1 big mailbox for each user.. then you have no
>> choice.. Unity all the way.
>>
>> If you do talk Unity to a customer, you need to discuss
>> thoroughly the possible impact and integration with their
>> existing network..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 8/6/08, *JASON BURWELL* <JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com
>> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com>
>> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com
>> <mailto:JASON.BURWELL at foundersfcu.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> *Table 4.* Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging Products
>>
>> *Product*
>>
>>
>> *Number of Users*
>>
>>
>> *E-Mail Integration Options*
>>
>>
>> *Networking to Other Voicemail Systems*
>>
>>
>> *Integration with Third-Party Call Processing*
>>
>>
>> *Speech Recognition*
>>
>> Cisco Unity Express
>>
>>
>> Up to 250
>>
>>
>> Integrated
>>
>>
>> Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
>>
>>
>> No
>>
>>
>> No
>>
>> Cisco Unity Connection
>>
>>
>> Up to 7500
>>
>>
>> Integrated
>>
>>
>> Yes, with Cisco Voice and Unified Messaging products
>>
>>
>> Yes, with most traditional and IP private branch exchanges
>> (PBXs)
>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> Cisco Unity Unified Messaging
>>
>>
>> 7500 per server, networked to 250,000
>>
>>
>> Integrated and Unified Messaging (Microsoft Exchange, Lotus
>> Notes,
>> or Novell GroupWise)
>>
>>
>> Yes, with Voice Profile for Internet Mail (VPIM), Audio
>> Messaging
>> Interchange Specification (AMIS), Cisco Unity Bridge, etc.
>>
>>
>> Yes, with most traditional and IP PBXs
>>
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> Found at this link
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/product_data_sheet0900aecd80410ad6_ps6509_Products_Data_Sheet.html
>>
>> Jason Burwell
>>
>> Telecom Network Administrator
>>
>> Founders Federal Credit Union
>>
>>
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>> <mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>>] *On Behalf Of
>> *Aman Chugh
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:20 PM
>> *To:* cisco voip
>> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] Difference between Unity Connection
>> and Unity
>>
>>
>> I have always tried to understand what is the difference between
>> Unity Connection and Unity and when to sell Unity and Unity
>> Connection . Looking for differences in architecture of these
>> applications and how they work with Exchange.
>>
>>
>> TIA
>> Aman
>>
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