[c-nsp] Wanting to learn Juniper...

[Fred Reimer]

Not to drag this on any longer than necessary, but anyone who calls
themselves a network engineer should have no problem understanding Boolean
math and bitwise operations.  How can you understand how a device decides to
send traffic to a local device or through a router if you don't understand a
bitwise AND between the destination address and subnet mask, bitwise AND
between your address and subnet mask, and a comparison between the two?  NOT
AND OR XOR SHIFT, this is all computing, and networking, 101 stuff.  How it
can be considered non-natural, non-obvious, or hard to understand by a
network engineer is something I can't grasp.

For a newbie in an introductory class, I'd start off with some basic math
and logical operations, perhaps some introductory programming so that they
can understand the operations that a device goes through in routing traffic,
and even in parsing the configuration.

Thanks,

Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS
Senior Network Engineer
Coleman Technologies, Inc.
954-298-1697


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-nsp-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-nsp-
> bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stretch
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:15 AM
> To: Ben Steele
> Cc: Campbell, Alex; cisco-nsp at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Wanting to learn Juniper...
> 
> Of course it seems intuitive to anyone who's worked with Cisco gear for
> even a short amount of time. But in running newbies through the basics
> in an introductory Cisco class, this is one thing I've noticed that
> seems odd to them. Obviously this isn't a huge stumbling block, just
> noting that the concept of "not off" isn't as natural as "on."
> 
> stretch
> http://packetlife.net
> 
> Ben Steele wrote:
> > That seems very intuitive to me, as soon as you understand that "no
> > xxxx" in IOS removes/negates "xxxx", means less commands which makes
> > sense.
> >
> > Unless the term shutdown doesn't seem clear in an interface? I would
> > assume it does to the majority of people though, IOS familiar or not.
> >
> > On 11/04/2008, at 3:43 PM, Jeremy Stretch wrote:
> >
> >> Tolstykh, Andrew wrote:
> >>> Cisco IOS is in fact extremely intuitive, there is nothing
> intuitive
> >>> about the JunOS IMHO.
> >> I can't speak on JunOS, but considering that the IOS command to
> enable
> >> an interface is "no shutdown," IOS may not be as intuitive as you
> think.
> >>
> >> stretch
> >> http://packetlife.net
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