[c-nsp] ASR1004 vs 7606(RSP720-CXL)

[Gert Doering]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:30:23PM +0100, ?ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> On 2009-11-25 21:22, Gert Doering wrote:
> 
> >  - 6500/7600 split.  They ("the 7600 camp") get the fast CPU, we get the
> >    reasonable 10G linecards (and got the 10G sup first).
> 
> Yeah. We all live in a material world. But the CPU on the MSFC4 on
> Sup2T will be fast.

I'm sure it can beat the CPU in my Nokia 6310i.  By a small margin.

> >  - confusing strategy regarding IOS future, especially modular IOS vs. 
> >  NX-OS
> 
> Modular IOS is a way to go on the 6500. NX-OS is for Nexus only.

Exactly the point.  Too many OS variants.  As if IOS didn't have enough
branches already.

> >  - confusing feature adoption between SX, SR and "main line" IOS
> 
> SX = 6500, SR = 7600, 7200, couple of other lines. Main line is usually
> for access boxes, like ISRs and ISRs G2.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that, and while I can see some short-term value
in the reasons that have been given, the long-term evaluation is "pain
for customers, and pain for Cisco" ("development resources fragmented
away until only a single person remains to supervise the nightly builds").

Think of upgrading your gear from 7200 to 7600.  Or from 7600 to GSR.

You get highly different operating systems, even if it's still called
"IOS", with vastly different feature sets.  Some parts will have to be 
different, of course (like "there is no hardware CEF on 7200") - but things
like "BFD on interface type X works on 7200, but not on 7600" or "IPv6 on
port-channels do not work in GSR" is just madness.


> >  - removal of BFD on SVI!!! *grumble* (this has bitten me *again* today)
> 
> Tim and Scott and a couple of people are looking at the list. I think
> they heard your scream.

I'm not sure.  This hasn't been brought up for the first time, and it's
not only me, and lots of people have been nagging their account managers
about it, but still no word from Cisco on whether we can expect it to
show up again, and if yes, where... (SRZ?).

> >  - as a customer, you really can't trust Cisco to make reasonable
> >    decisions (did I mention the BU split?  and IOS and hardware support
> >    pain?) - even Cisco's stock price sucks, so the usual argument "but
> >    it was good for the stock price!" doesn't hold either.
> 
> Hm. Usually price issues are taken care of by account teams. I can't
> speak about that part.

"stock price" as in "wall street, pin-striped banking guys" :-)

They tend to honour stupid decisions if they look good in the financial
papers.

gert
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