[cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0

[Ryan LaTorre]

Not to tow the cisco line too much, I would argue that the 3.4GB of
patches in three months is a good thing.  Cisco is undoubtedly dealing
with a large number of bugs, which should be expected of a new product.
Cisco has done their part to keep it on New Product Hold, primarily
approving lab deployments in which the real issues will be discovered.
The patches have come fast and furious which tells me they're feverishly
ramping up the stability.

Having said that, I agree with the demo licensing sentiments 100%.
There needs to be something readily available for partners and Cisco SEs
to work with.

Demo licensing isn't my only concern though. Consider the operational
impact. The publisher hardware dies (somehow). An extra server is
brought into service to quickly replace it, but wait - to activate and
use it a special licensing request has to be fulfilled. I don't know how
long that takes, especially if it's 2am.  Or replacing a subscriber with
new hardware - it may be advantageous to build a new server with a new
entity, add it into the cluster, and subsequently remove the existing
one a few days later.  This will no longer be possible.

I understand the need for licensing, but the operational impact has to
also be considered and some flexibility built-in.


-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Charles
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:17 PM
To: Ted Nugent
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net; Serg; Andrew Riley
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM 5 on VMWare Server 1.0.0

What's really stupid here is that they offer demo licenses for Unity,
IPCC, CiscoWorks (90 day), etc... Why not CCM5?

My guess is that Cisco doesn't want anyone playing with it, so they
won't report back how buggy it is (come on guys, Cisco has released
3.4GB of patches (on a 1.2GB install DVD) in the past three months..

That's very bad.



Jonathan

On 7/27/06, Ted Nugent <tednugent69 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can't agree enough. We have at least 4 midsize customers that are 
> looking to migrate to CM5 however we are very reluctant to perform any

> sort of migration until we can get some sort of license for our lab.
> We've been around and around with our Cisco SE's but have yet to get a

> definitive answer. Cisco's pumped up
> CM5 for all of our/their customers and are leaving their partners 
> asses in the wind on this. Very frustrating! I can't imagine how much 
> money they've lost already over something that seems to be a no 
> brainer!
>
> --- Jonathan Charles <jonvoip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have had little or no problems installing CCM5 on VMWare... the 
> > problem is licensing... Cisco needs to release a demo license (5 
> > phones, 2 nodes) for lab purposes (if they want anyone to even think

> > about deploying this thing).
> >
> > Until we have completed lab testing (which we cannot do with 5), 
> > there is no way in hell we will deploy it in our network.
> >
> > Cisco's loss (our network has 240,000 users).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
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