[cisco-voip] CCM Web Page performance issues, aka 'Loading, Please Wait' (a rant)

Fri Oct 5 17:47:33 EDT 2007

Just be glad they didn't pick something like, Oracle.
Oh the humanity!

IANADBA (I'm not a DBA) so I don't know the difference
in how SQL Server 2005 compares to say, PostgreSQL. I
hope that Cisco finds a faster DBMS if it really is as
slow as you folks make it sound.

--- "Jason Aarons (US)" <jason.aarons at us.didata.com>
wrote:

> Customers do complain the "Loading" is slow,
> especially when on a Phone
> DN you hit Line Partition and "Loading" changes
> focus.  You would think
> Cisco could speed it up.  I do miss the SQL
> Enterprise Manager for
> queries versus the SOAP AXL or command line I've
> seen TAC do. TAC isn't
> happy when they have to type long select statements.
> 
> Informix isn't the database of choice by DBAs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan
> Charles
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:19 PM
> To: Bill Simon
> Cc: cisco voip list
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCM Web Page performance
> issues, aka
> 'Loading,Please Wait' (a rant)
> 
> We upgrade cuz the customer hears 'linux' and thinks
> it is better...
> that is also what the sales people are selling...
> 
> To be honest, the only kick-ass features for CCM5
> are BAT and the LDAP
> integration.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 10/5/07, Bill Simon <bills at psu.edu> wrote:
> > Yeah, just a WAG but I'd suspect the DB, not the
> web server.
> >
> > CCM 4.x remains, in my opinion, the best out
> there.  Why are you all
> > moving to the higher versions, anyway?  Just for
> SIP endpoints?
> >
> >
> > Paul Choi wrote:
> > > Linux is just an OS. What people put on top of
> it is
> > > largely their choice. If Cisco installed wine
> and ran
> > > IIS on top of that for their web server, then
> that
> > > would likely run slowly.
> > >
> > > I am not informed on the Linux-based CCM boxen
> but I'd
> > > certainly hope that Cisco is using apache to
> serve its
> > > webpages. I've heard that the DB is Informix or
> > > something like that.
> > >
> > > My point being, it doesn't matter what OS you
> are
> > > using - if you put a slow application on it,
> it'll
> > > still run slow no matter what you do to it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > --- Jonathan Charles <jonvoip at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> So, I am curious why all of us are putting up
> with
> > >> this.
> > >>
> > >> For years we were all told that Linux was
> superior,
> > >> that Linux was how
> > >> a real web server should function...
> > >>
> > >> Now, we have CCM 5 and CCM 6... and the web
> server
> > >> performance, is,
> > >> er, well, how do we put this...
> > >>
> > >> Here we go. It is far worse than anything
> Microsoft
> > >> has ever released.
> > >> I think Microsoft BOB would be a better web
> server
> > >> than whatever crap
> > >> is on the backend of this RedHat monstrosity.
> > >>
> > >> In CallManger 4.3, using Microsoft
> WINDOWS(!!!!!!)
> > >> IIS and Cisco
> > >> Tomcat, I can scream through all of the web
> pages;
> > >> do DB reads in
> > >> nanoseconds; do DB inserts almost as quick, and
> I
> > >> have never seen a
> > >> message on my web browser saying, 'Loading,
> Please
> > >> Wait'
> > >>
> > >> I mean, seriously, this is godawful slow.
> > >>
> > >> I just installed CCM5.1.3 on an HP 7845, 4GB of
> RAM,
> > >> dual dual core
> > >> Xeons... and all I see at every mouse click is
> > >> 'Loading, Please
> > >> Wait'..
> > >>
> > >> Is Cisco punishing us for something? Did we
> offend
> > >> them in some way? I
> > >> am at a point where I am wondering if I should
> tell
> > >> customers about
> > >> these performance issues prior to picking a
> version
> > >> ('if you want to
> > >> be able to administer this and not slash your
> > >> wrists, waiting for the
> > >> home page to load, you may want to go with
> 4.3...')
> > >> because I am tired
> > >> of hearing about it afterwards...
> > >>
> > >> Seriously guys, I mean, this pretty much kills
> > >> whatever argument you
> > >> Linux freaks had that this was better than
> > >> Windows... add the whole
> > >> SFTP requirement, and you can see why the
> Microsoft
> > >> side won this
> > >> argument...
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