[cisco-voip] prognosis and callmamager 6.1

[Tim Smith]

Hi Tom...

Thanks for that... my current client has EMC Smarts, and they want to do a
POC of the 2 voice components... so we will see what happens!

I agree the setup for CUOM / CUSM is a pain. Upgrades / service patches etc
are even worse. Hopefully they are working to rectify it.
For the smaller customers there is the netmanager for Unified communications
or something. Does up to 1000 phones, 10 sites or something. You can buy a
yearly license for it, which is pretty handy for a service provider. It does
look like CUOM though, so not sure if it is any nicer.

Hopefully there will be some improvements in CUCM version 7 on the
monitoring / management side...

Keep us up to date on what you find with Clarus! Would be interested to
hear!

Cheers,

Tim.


On 7/24/08, Tom Sparks <acydgod at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Yes, EMC Smarts Performance Manager is just Prognosis (with the same
> problems).  I already tried the eval of CUOM and CUSM and wasn't happy there
> either.  If I have to spend weeks trying to learn and get a management app
> running, it's not really worth it to me.   I expect to tune it over time but
> just the basics was a big undertaking, the install of CUOM was like 1 hr and
> I needed a separate box for CUSM just to monitor CDR records.
>
>
>
> My clients range in size so finding something easy to setup and use is the
> top priority, I'm willing to forego heavy customization if I can actually
> get back to my day job at some point.
>
>
>
> I think Clarus does some of the CUSM stuff too which is why I'm looking
> into it now.  I hopeful that nothing can be as bad as CUOM/CUSM to configure
> and get to work but I'll keep you updated.
>
>
>
> Tom Sparks
>
> Taos
>
>
>
> *From:* smithsonianwa at gmail.com [mailto:smithsonianwa at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:54 AM
> *To:* Tom Sparks
> *Cc:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] prognosis and callmamager 6.1
>
>
>
> On other management products...
>
>
>
> I used Cisco CUOM / CUSM a little bit at a customer site.. i found it
> useful.. but the customer wasnt too interested in using it.
>
> It depends what you are after though.. CUOM does the fault management
> stuff, CUSM does the voice quality and now there is a statistics model as
> well...
>
>
>
> CUOM is pretty handy if you have CUCM clusters and IPCC enterprise... it
> does give you a pretty good central view... at the time it didnt really do
> anything for CVP though... hopefully this will change.
>
>
>
> If your a partner I think you can download an eval... if not you could
> probably get it off your integrator..
>
>
>
> RTMT would still be required to drill down...
>
>
>
> Has anyone got any experience with EMC Smarts and their Voip management
> plugins? I heard they were prognosis re-branded, but I'm not sure this is
> true?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 7/24/08, *Tom Sparks* <acydgod at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We're pretty turned off by Prognosis at this point.  I tried so many times
> to get it to work with 6.1 and finally reverted to RTMT. There are few
> other
> alternatives but you might want to checkout Clarus.
>
> Tom Sparks
> Taos
>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:23:13 -0400
> From: Wes Sisk <wsisk at cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] prognosis and callmamager 6.1
> To: Eric Pedersen <eric.pedersen at sait.ca>
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> make sure to get latest patches for prognosis and CM.  in several
> accounts prognosis has triggered
> CSCsb80753 AXL::ExecuteSQLQuery errors with many end users, tomcat
> OutOfMemoryError
>
> /Wes
>
> Eric Pedersen wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone using Prognosis to monitor a CM 6.x cluster?  We are looking
> > at implementing this, and I'm interested to know what other people's
> > experiences are.
>
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