[cisco-voip] CUCM 6.0 Calling Search Space issue...

Thu Jun 18 16:36:43 EDT 2009

Hi Cem,

All you need to do is add Time Schedules to your partitions (except for
the partition that the IP phones are in) to have them disable at 18:30
or 19:00 and have them re-enable at whatever time in the morning.

For example you would want to put Time Schedules on all the partitions
that contain the route patterns used for outgoing external calls. I
think ToD routing is exactly what you are looking for.

Just to make sure we are clear on the CSS - Partition definition and
operation:

-A partition contains a list of DNs or callable numbers including route
patterns

-A CSS is a list of partitions

-A CSS is used to identify which partitions a device with a certain CSS
can reach

Example:

Phone A has DN 1000 and is in partition "PartA"

Phone B has DN 2000 and is in partition "PartB"

Phone C has DN 2001 and is also in partition "PartB"

CSS "cssA" contains partition "PartA"

CSS "cssB" contains partitions "PartA" and "PartB"

Phone A is assigned CSS "cssB"

Phone B is assigned CSS "cssA"

Phone C has no CSS assigned

Phone A can call ALL numbers

Phone B can only call Phone A

Phone C cannot call anyone

HTH

-Chris

From: cem caglayan [mailto:cem.caglayan at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:26 PM
To: Chris Ward (chrward)
Cc: Ryan Ratliff (rratliff); cisco-voip Voip
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 6.0 Calling Search Space issue...

As i described, i could not find any other option except changing CSS.
I'm not expert on this topic but as i figured out, CSS contains
partitions and partitions contains route patterns. So if formulized in a
cluster, the issue seems like this: 

CSS>partition>route pattern. 

So all of our phones' dial rules (route patterns in other words) are
described into CSS which are selected in DN settings.

I looked at Class of Control but i could not find anything.

Let me explain my situation again, maybe there are some other ways to
solve this issue.

When our shift ends at work (it's about 18:30), i would like to block
all the phones' outgoing calls except interior. In other words, after a
specified time of day (let's call it 19:00), only interior calls have to
be made. If you read my older posts, our phones are not in partitions,
just CSS describes their calling ability. I'm going to put some pictures
of the CM when i get back to work, maybe the issue could be understood
easier.

thanks in advance.
CEM

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Chris Ward (chrward)
<chrward at cisco.com> wrote:

I saw a response early in this thread that was not directly replied to.
Why won't Time of Day routing fulfill your requirements?

-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Ratliff
(rratliff)
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:40 AM
To: cem caglayan
Cc: cisco-voip Voip
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 6.0 Calling Search Space issue...

If you truly want to change all phones' CSS to None and back to their
original value on a scheduled basis you would have to script this via
AXL.  You would need to first discover all the lines and note their
current CSS.  Then update all of those lines to use CSS None.  When
it comes time to revert you change the CSS back to the value you
discovered (and stored) originally.

As Lelio said if you can provide more details about the policy you
are trying to implement there is a very good chance it can be done in
a way that doesn't require changing all of your phone configurations
each night.

-Ryan

On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:

I think you'll find yourself in a mess of trouble trying to do it by
changing the calling search space. The timed based partitions is
probably your best bet.

Remember, the partition the phone is in has nothing to do with the
partitions it can reach.

Please explain your set up a bit more for us, and we'll try to help
with suggestions using time based partitions. I haven't used them
much, but it's fairly easy from what I recall.

The one thing I always forget is when the <none> partition is
searched. I can't remember if it is searched after all the other
partitions only if no other match is found, or if it is searched in
order and best match rules apply.

For the long term sanity of your setup, I'd strongly suggest moving
your DNs to a partition. It's easier to manage things like that.

You'll also have to let us know what you are trying to block, access
to phones or access to off-net? And what dial plan strategy are you
using? allow with device and block with DN, or just allow with device?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Back" <Michael.Back at nisd.net>
To: "Daniel" <dan.voip at danofive.id.au>, "cem caglayan"
<cem.caglayan at gmail.com>
Cc: cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:27:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 6.0 Calling Search Space issue...

You could try extension mobility.  Make sure the phone CSS is most
restrictive, and put the appropriate CSS on the line like you are
currently doing.  You can set a timer for Extension Mobility to log out
after a specified period.

MB

 >>> cem caglayan <cem.caglayan at gmail.com> 6/18/2009 5:55 AM >>>
First of all thanks for the tip Dan,

The main problem is, we do not have any partitions which all the
phones
assigned to..

Our dial rules are described in "Calling Search Spaces" which consist 4
or
more partitions. Besides, all the phones' Calling Search Spaces are
setted
into the directory number configuration. I've found how to change all
the
phones' Calling Search Spaces to the desired value under the "Bulk
Administration>Phones>Add/Update Lines>Update Lines" section.

But the main problem is, we have 3 PRI lines and 12 GSM lines connected
to
CM via PRI by 2N Stargate. And as i described, all the phones' Calling
Search Spaces are not the same at all. For example my phone can call
GSM and
landlines, but my manager's can call international including my dial
rule.
My Calling Search Space is "Landlines and GSM" but my manager's
"International Calls (which means everywhere can be called)".

So in brief, the problem is when i set all these phones' calling
search
space to NONE on a scheduled job. How can i restore them to their
original
values??

By the way i have found to backup all the phone settings under "Bulk
Administration>Phones>Export Phones>All Details". But it stores the
data in
a TXT file. So i can not restore from that backup.

Is there any way to fullfill according to my CUCM 6.0 profile???

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Daniel <dan.voip at danofive.id.au>
wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > Have you looked into time periods and schedules?
 >
 > Apply a time schedule to a partition to allow access only during a
certain
 > time period.
 >
 > cheers,
 >
 > Dan
 >
 > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:16 PM, cem caglayan
<cem.caglayan at gmail.com>wrote:
 >
 >> Hi all,
 >>
 >> I want to set some (about 300) users' calling search space to be set
to
 >> "none" after shift and bring them to their original values in the
 >> morning,because of company policy. Is there any way to do this
automatically
 >> or can this action be scheduled? Because, as you know, it is very
difficult
 >> to set all these users' settings to desired one and bring them back
to old
 >> values. I looked at some features including Job scheduler and
Enterprise
 >> settings but no use.
 >>
 >>
 >> Thanks in advance.
 >>
 >> Cem
 >>
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