[cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

Wed Oct 13 09:49:51 EDT 2010

Exactly and for Anthony's question it really depends on how new that NIB phone really is.  All phones from manufacturing now are shipping with a load that will upgrade past 8.5(2) directly.   That doesn't mean there aren't stocks out there with the old load but real new phones will upgrade.

But as Lelio said in order for it to work you'd just have to factory reset the phone for it to double upgrade like that.

Another option would be a vmware or other CUCM you keep handy just for pointing new phones at to get them to the correct load so they can be moved to production.  All it would need is tftp and the appropriate load file.

-Ryan

On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:

When I read the factory default action that Ryan sent off, it actually deletes some files I believe and/or re-reads that term42.default.load file.

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From: "Anthony Holloway" <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>, "voyp list" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:14:41 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

Yes that is correct, NIB = new in box.

Oh, Ok, so I NIB phone is NOT sitting at a "factory reset" state?  I was under the impression that new phones, in the box, and from the factory, were exactly in the same state as a phone who was "factory reset."

That's what I get for assuming.

Anthony

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
I'm assuming NIB is "new in box" ??

I believe the one step you're missing here is resetting the phone to factory defaults so that it grabs the term42.default.loads file appropriately.

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
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Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
                              - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

From: "Anthony Holloway" <avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com>

To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>, "voyp list" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:48:35 PM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

Can I piggyback on this topic?

So I take a NIB phone, and I plug it in, and it fails to upgrade because my CUCM has phones loads above 8.5(2).  Are you saying that if I change out my default.loads files for 8.4(4) ones, I would eliminate the upgrade failure scenario of plugging in a NIB phone (which presumably ships with older than 8.4(4) firmware)?

So the game plan looks like this:
  phone boots for first time
  dhcp address assigned, and option 150 points to tftp
  phone grabs the default.loads file, and reads which version is should pull down
  I go grab some five guys
  phone grabs firmware and begins to upgrade to 8.4(4)
  phone resets
  phone registers to CUCM, grabbing its XML config, and reads which version is should pull down
  phone grabs firmware and begins to upgrade to 8.5(3)
  phone resets
  phone registers
  I come back and see a registered phone

Anthony

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
Ah - cool. Never thought about that application. 

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
                              - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

From: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "voyp list" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:21:39 PM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

That's correct, they will do two upgrades.  In some cases this may be desired with the default load being 8.4(4) so that both old and new phones can upgrade easily to later loads given the restrictions for going past 8.5(2).

-Ryan

On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:

Thanks Ryan.

I'm guessing then, if I don't update those files, and perform a factory reset, the phone will first load the previous version, try to register to call manager, see the new firmware information and then upgrade?

So basically downgrade, then upgrade?

I'm not saying I want to keep it this way, just trying to understand what will happen. I guess I could actually confirm the results by doing this myself too.

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
                              - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

From: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "voyp list" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

They are used to recover from a factory reset. 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cuipph/7962g_7942g/7_0/english/administration/guide/7962trb.html#wp1031705

-Ryan

On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:

ok...when are they used then? if i keep the originals from a previous version, copy over firmware files from a new version and update either the device defaults page or manually configure a phone is that ok?

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
                              - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

From: "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff at cisco.com>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
Cc: "voyp list" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:16:31 PM
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads

They are never created, only copied either manually via zip file (windows CCM) or by the load installer.

-Ryan

On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:

can anyone shed some light on when i need to overwrite the term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads files when copying over firmware files?

if i just copy over the firmware files and modify the device defaults on CCM, will it create these two files new?

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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. 
                              - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)

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