[cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

Wed Feb 29 13:00:39 EST 2012

The way I understand from a logistical point of view (NOT from a this is officially the way you do it POV) is that as long as whatever you have on your esw is not EOL you can keep renewing that along with the applicable UCSS
Once whatever parts you have on there fade from existence you will have to add ESW for what the new parts would be to your contract. Whatever renewal that is, is in most cases going to cost you more than your last renewal.

Now frankly,  I would suggest not waiting for EOL and doing this ahead of time, but as of right now. I am not aware of being forced to do this early.

So you will not be paying for upgraded licenses per se but the more expensive ESW that is associated with the new licenses you got for "free"

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From: cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ted Nugent
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade

Agreed Lelio... renewal is a VERY gray area I would like to hear from Cisco how they will be handling this and how they will be effectively forcing people to pick a licensing platform if their UCSS does not expire.
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca<mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
This scares me a little... from what I understood, this 3+3 (currently a promo as I understand it as well) is for upgrading from one major version to another major version if you were not on UCSS.

I can't imagine Cisco telling you at time of UCSS renewal you have to do this. If you let UCSS lapse, then yes, this will likely kick in.

Lelio

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From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com<mailto:ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>>
To: "Ted Nugent" <tednugent73 at gmail.com<mailto:tednugent73 at gmail.com>>
Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:31:40 AM

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Unity/Unity Connection Port Upgrade
Perhaps  due to the quantity of business we give to Cisco they are allowing us to migrate at no cost but Ted is correct, there is a fee associated with migrating to UCL.  I've found the listing in the configuration tool.

What bugs me about the whole 'migration cost' is you're effectively re-purchasing licenses you already own.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 at gmail.com<mailto:tednugent73 at gmail.com>> wrote:
As of UC 8.5 from a licensing stand point "Ala Carte" licensing is no more as Erick mentioned however is there is absolutely a fee associated with the migration to UCL. Currently that migration fee is $3 per Enhanced Seat providing you purchase 3 Years of UCSS at the same time @ $26 List, I believe that is a promotion so that may change in the future. You will not run into this until your UCSS renewal or until you're UCSS/ESW lapses and you attempt to renew it. At which point you will need to select a licensing model (CUWL or UCL) in order to renew or reactivate UCSS. I would like a Cisco PM (if one watches this list) to jump in and give some insight on how renewals will be enforced? Our renewal department still appears to be pumping out UCSS renewals without requiring a licensing migration as outlined in the UCSS ordering guide, will that change?

Those with access can see the "Ordering Guide for Cisco IP Communications 8.5, UCL-based" for more info about migration pricing. Migration SKUs start on page 31.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com<mailto:ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>> wrote:
I've been going round and round about licensing with Cisco for a couple months.  Here is what I have learned:

1. As of right now, except for version 7, there is no de-facto 'ala carte' licensing.  It is now UCL.
2. UCL user licenses come with the appropriate system licenses at no additional cost.  CM node licenses, CUC port licenses, etc. are all included in the purchase of UCL licenses for the coresponding system.
3. There is no migration cost from ala carte to UCL as there is with CUWL.
4. The simplification of Cisco's licensing has, in fact, made it more confusing when migrating and upgrading.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 at gmail.com<mailto:tednugent73 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Matthew
Any idea when that changed for Ala Carte.. Recently? I attempted this during Unity to Unity Connection 8 Migration about 8 months ago and got shot down by licensing.  In normal migration fashion, I had to take the licensing from the Unity server, get the MAC changed for CUC, Upload to CUC and then install the Unity to CUC Migration License. After that i was sitting with 16 ports, I still had the Cisco licensing chick on the line and she flat out told me the system was only purchased with 16 ports and thats all the customer was entitled to, even made her get her team lead on the line with us and was told the same thing by him. My aggravation then was that the migration SKU even said in the discription Unity to Unity Connection 32 Ports but that meant nothing to licensing. I'm looking at an Ala Carte client in PUT right now with active UCSS I do not see any Max Ports SKUs like I see with CUWL. Curious....

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com<mailto:msaskin at gmail.com>> wrote:
License model (CUWL or a la carte) doesn't matter.  For Unity Connection, as far as I know, you can just request additional port licenses if necessary from cisco licensing operations.

-matthew

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ted Nugent <tednugent73 at gmail.com<mailto:tednugent73 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I know it was added for CUWL licensing but doubtful that it was for Ala Carte... (not sure about UCL)
If you have CUWL you can order it via the PUT... UCXN7-MAXP-UWLADD and that should work for CUC 8 as well.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com<mailto:MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>> wrote:
I remember reading somewhere along the way that Unity/Unity Connection licenses were changed to where everyone got all the ports needed for free. The question I have is how do I get the ports added? The customer has UCSS and we got the upgrade licenses but I still have just their original 16 ports on their primary server. They got HA and the subscriber now has 250 ports! Does anyone know the process for this?
Thanks!

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