[cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
Matthew Saskin
msaskin at gmail.com
Wed Jan 18 13:53:39 EST 2012
Spot-on. You can mix and match most of the Cisco UC apps on the same blade
without issues. Things get a bit trickier with UCCE co-residency, but
you're good for the "standard" UC apps (CUCM, UCXN, CUPS, UCCX, etc.)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> cool. that explains it well.
>
> from this, if we have a supported blade based VM infrastructure, then we
> just have to keep UC on separate blades than other third party app VMs.
>
> does that sound right?
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
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> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Ruben Montes (Europe)" <ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com>
> *To: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> *Cc: *cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net, "cisco-voip" <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>, "Matthew Loraditch" <
> MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>, "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>,
> "gr11" <grccie at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:09:57 AM
>
> *Subject: *RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
> From this link:
>
>
>
>
> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_Virtualization_Sizing_Guidelines
>
> To determine which applications may share a physical server, use the
> following guidelines:
>
> - Application mix on same physical server / vSphere ESXi host limited
> to *"UC with UC only".*
> - Same rules for UC on UCS TRC, or UC on UCS specs-based, or HP/IBM
> specs-based.
> - *Co-residency of UC with 3rd-party application VMs* (such as
> TFTP/SFTP/DNS/DHCP servers, Directories, Groupware, File/print, CRM, VMware
> vCenter, etc.) *is not supported at this time*. These applications
> may be placed on a separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this
> can be an adjacent blade in the same chassis.
> - Co-residency of UC with non-UC Cisco VMs (such as Cisco Nexus
> 1000V VSM) is not supported at this time. These VMs may be placed on a
> separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this can be an adjacent
> blade
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Ruben
>
>
>
> *From:* Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca]
> *Sent:* miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 16:29
> *To:* Ruben Montes (Europe)
> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip; Matthew Loraditch;
> Scott Voll; gr11
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
>
>
> where does it say they do not support co-residency with other applications?
>
> not that I don't believe you, I just can't see this in the doc and need to
> refer to it.
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Ruben Montes (Europe)" <ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com>
> *To: *"Matthew Loraditch" <MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>, "Scott
> Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>, "gr11" <grccie at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net, "cisco-voip" <
> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:58:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
>
> Yes, but they do not support co-residency with other applications, which
> leads the customer to having to buy at least two additional IBM/HP servers…
>
>
>
> I agree with Scott, I’d like to see soon “true” 3rd party hardware on
> VMWare support.
>
>
>
> … ah, and also a decent consolidation ratio would be nice, not just 1:1…
>
>
>
> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
> mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net<cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Matthew Loraditch
> *Sent:* miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 15:54
> *To:* Scott Voll; gr11
> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
>
>
>
>
> They support 3rd Party VMWare as of a few months ago:
>
> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Specification-Based_Hardware_Support
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
> mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net<cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Scott Voll
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:51 AM
> *To:* gr11
> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
>
>
> my question is how long is cisco going to mandate the UCS stuff before
> they start supporting 3rd party hardware on VMWare.... we have a huge VM
> deployment of HP but I have to tell our server team we have to buy Cisco
> UCS products...... Doesn't make people very happy :-(
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gr11 <grccie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On C class you can use local as well as remote storage, it supports SAN
> boot installation. I have done a mixed one on C series - VMware
> installation on internal disks but CUCM is installed on the SAN disks.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM, <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com> wrote:
>
> C class internal storage, the b class external storage
>
> C class can support 4 UC apps per server
>
> From:
>
> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>
> To:
>
> Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com>
>
> Cc:
>
> "John.VanLaecke at ghd.com" <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com>, "
> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net" <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>,
> cisco-voip <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>
> Date:
>
> 18/01/2012 11:00 AM
>
> Subject:
>
> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Quick question re: UCS, do you have to use remote storage or can you use
> local storage?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Depends on your discount, whether you purchase bare-metal from Cisco or
> direct from HP/IBM, etc. You've also got to factor in VMware costs plus
> added operational complexity for UCS. That said, ongoing operational costs
> (eg; smartnet) are much lower for UCS than for bare-metal servers (and
> on-par with direct manufacturer support for HP/IBM hardware)
>
> That said, I'm a huge proponent of deploying on UCS, b or c-series as
> appropriate. Of the 20-30 designs I've put together for customers over the
> past 12-18 months (ranging from <500 phones to 10K+ phones and 1K+ UCCE
> agents) that actually became deployed projects, all but 1 are deployed on
> UCS with an exception for a customer that has a rigorous hardware
> qualification process and won't qualify UCS for use in their data centers.
>
> -matthew
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:33 PM, <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com> wrote:
> The C Class UCS server is cheaper than the bare metal box.
>
> From:
>
> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>
> To:
>
> Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
>
> Cc:
>
> cisco-voip <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>
> Date:
>
> 18/01/2012 07:16 AM
>
> Subject:
>
> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
> Sent by:
>
> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> Ah - well, supported and sold are two different things I guess.
>
> The supported platforms will help if you have the platforms already, but
> not if you are looking to buy new. I do recall quite a few of them being
> EOL'ed, especially the H series, but you'd have to check the price list and
> your account team for availability.
>
> There is always the SWONLY option (which is much cheaper). As far as I
> know, they are MCS equivalents so they are supported.
>
> Lelio
>
>
> ---
> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>*
> To: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>*
> Cc: *"cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>*
> Sent: *Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:08:01 PM*
> Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>
> I'm getting conflicting information from someone at Cisco is all.
> They told me they aren't selling MCS servers any longer.
>
>
> On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> > did it not provide the answers you were looking for? is it not up to
> date?
> >
> > ---
> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> > - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
> > To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
> > Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:46:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
> >
> > I've spent more time looking at that document than I care to think about.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> >> Pretty sure they are. Here are some ref docs
> >>
> >>
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6790/ps5748/ps378/prod_brochure0900aecd8062a4f9.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
> >> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
> >> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
> >> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
> >> To: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:30:38 PM
> >> Subject: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
> >>
> >> Quick question as I think I've gone and confused myself.
> >>
> >> Are tehre still options wit hCM 8.6 for non-virtualized environments?
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