[cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
Nick Matthews
matthnick at gmail.com
Wed Jan 18 17:31:11 EST 2012
I think they're up to 20:1 or 40:1 with the C460 now.
Also on the HP/IBM remember it's only for certain Intel procs. One
restriction is the ones that are 2.53 GHz+, and there's no oversubscription
of CPU or memory, and the IOPS need to be available. Still no roadmap for
Dell. If you go the specs-based route you're responsible for guaranteeing
the appropriate bandwidth and resources to the blade. If it comes in
question, it's up to you to prove the bandwidth/resources are correct.
It's this portion of the specs-based support that has made me hesitant to
advise this direction.
-nick
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Spot-on. You can mix and match most of the Cisco UC apps on the same
> blade without issues. Things get a bit trickier with UCCE co-residency,
> but you're good for the "standard" UC apps (CUCM, UCXN, CUPS, UCCX, etc.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>wrote:
>
>> cool. that explains it well.
>>
>> from this, if we have a supported blade based VM infrastructure, then we
>> just have to keep UC on separate blades than other third party app VMs.
>>
>> does that sound right?
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
>> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Ruben Montes (Europe)" <ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com>
>> *To: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> *Cc: *cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net, "cisco-voip" <
>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>, "Matthew Loraditch" <
>> MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>, "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>,
>> "gr11" <grccie at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:09:57 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>> From this link:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_Virtualization_Sizing_Guidelines
>>
>> To determine which applications may share a physical server, use the
>> following guidelines:
>>
>> - Application mix on same physical server / vSphere ESXi host limited
>> to *"UC with UC only".*
>> - Same rules for UC on UCS TRC, or UC on UCS specs-based, or
>> HP/IBM specs-based.
>> - *Co-residency of UC with 3rd-party application VMs* (such as
>> TFTP/SFTP/DNS/DHCP servers, Directories, Groupware, File/print, CRM, VMware
>> vCenter, etc.) *is not supported at this time*. These applications
>> may be placed on a separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this
>> can be an adjacent blade in the same chassis.
>> - Co-residency of UC with non-UC Cisco VMs (such as Cisco Nexus
>> 1000V VSM) is not supported at this time. These VMs may be placed on a
>> separate physical server from UC. For UCS B-series, this can be an adjacent
>> blade
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ruben
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:lelio at uoguelph.ca]
>> *Sent:* miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 16:29
>> *To:* Ruben Montes (Europe)
>> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip; Matthew Loraditch;
>> Scott Voll; gr11
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>>
>>
>> where does it say they do not support co-residency with other
>> applications?
>>
>> not that I don't believe you, I just can't see this in the doc and need
>> to refer to it.
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
>> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Ruben Montes (Europe)" <ruben.montes at dimensiondata.com>
>> *To: *"Matthew Loraditch" <MLoraditch at heliontechnologies.com>, "Scott
>> Voll" <svoll.voip at gmail.com>, "gr11" <grccie at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net, "cisco-voip" <
>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:58:25 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>>
>> Yes, but they do not support co-residency with other applications,
>> which leads the customer to having to buy at least two additional IBM/HP
>> servers…
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Scott, I’d like to see soon “true” 3rd party hardware on
>> VMWare support.
>>
>>
>>
>> … ah, and also a decent consolidation ratio would be nice, not just 1:1…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
>> mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net<cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Matthew Loraditch
>> *Sent:* miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 15:54
>> *To:* Scott Voll; gr11
>> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They support 3rd Party VMWare as of a few months ago:
>>
>> http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Specification-Based_Hardware_Support
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net [
>> mailto:cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net<cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Scott Voll
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:51 AM
>> *To:* gr11
>> *Cc:* cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net; cisco-voip
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>>
>>
>> my question is how long is cisco going to mandate the UCS stuff before
>> they start supporting 3rd party hardware on VMWare.... we have a huge VM
>> deployment of HP but I have to tell our server team we have to buy Cisco
>> UCS products...... Doesn't make people very happy :-(
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gr11 <grccie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On C class you can use local as well as remote storage, it supports SAN
>> boot installation. I have done a mixed one on C series - VMware
>> installation on internal disks but CUCM is installed on the SAN disks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM, <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com> wrote:
>>
>> C class internal storage, the b class external storage
>>
>> C class can support 4 UC apps per server
>>
>> From:
>>
>> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>
>> To:
>>
>> Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com>
>>
>> Cc:
>>
>> "John.VanLaecke at ghd.com" <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com>, "
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net" <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net>,
>> cisco-voip <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>
>> Date:
>>
>> 18/01/2012 11:00 AM
>>
>> Subject:
>>
>> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quick question re: UCS, do you have to use remote storage or can you use
>> local storage?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Matthew Saskin <msaskin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Depends on your discount, whether you purchase bare-metal from Cisco or
>> direct from HP/IBM, etc. You've also got to factor in VMware costs plus
>> added operational complexity for UCS. That said, ongoing operational costs
>> (eg; smartnet) are much lower for UCS than for bare-metal servers (and
>> on-par with direct manufacturer support for HP/IBM hardware)
>>
>> That said, I'm a huge proponent of deploying on UCS, b or c-series as
>> appropriate. Of the 20-30 designs I've put together for customers over the
>> past 12-18 months (ranging from <500 phones to 10K+ phones and 1K+ UCCE
>> agents) that actually became deployed projects, all but 1 are deployed on
>> UCS with an exception for a customer that has a rigorous hardware
>> qualification process and won't qualify UCS for use in their data centers.
>>
>> -matthew
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:33 PM, <John.VanLaecke at ghd.com> wrote:
>> The C Class UCS server is cheaper than the bare metal box.
>>
>> From:
>>
>> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>
>> To:
>>
>> Erick Wellnitz <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
>>
>> Cc:
>>
>> cisco-voip <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>>
>> Date:
>>
>> 18/01/2012 07:16 AM
>>
>> Subject:
>>
>> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>> Sent by:
>>
>> cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah - well, supported and sold are two different things I guess.
>>
>> The supported platforms will help if you have the platforms already, but
>> not if you are looking to buy new. I do recall quite a few of them being
>> EOL'ed, especially the H series, but you'd have to check the price list and
>> your account team for availability.
>>
>> There is always the SWONLY option (which is much cheaper). As far as I
>> know, they are MCS equivalents so they are supported.
>>
>> Lelio
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
>> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>*
>> To: *"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>*
>> Cc: *"cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>*
>> Sent: *Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:08:01 PM*
>> Subject: *Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>>
>> I'm getting conflicting information from someone at Cisco is all.
>> They told me they aren't selling MCS servers any longer.
>>
>>
>> On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>> > did it not provide the answers you were looking for? is it not up to
>> date?
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> > Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> > (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
>> > - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>> > Cc: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:46:32 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>> >
>> > I've spent more time looking at that document than I care to think
>> about.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/17/12, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>> >> Pretty sure they are. Here are some ref docs
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6790/ps5748/ps378/prod_brochure0900aecd8062a4f9.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.
>> >> Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1
>> >> (519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (ANNU)
>> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.
>> >> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Erick Wellnitz" <ewellnitzvoip at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "cisco-voip" <cisco-voip at puck.nether.net>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:30:38 PM
>> >> Subject: [cisco-voip] CUCM 8.6 hardware
>> >>
>> >> Quick question as I think I've gone and confused myself.
>> >>
>> >> Are tehre still options wit hCM 8.6 for non-virtualized environments?
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