[cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5

Mon Jan 21 10:40:56 EST 2019

Charles,

You're recommending the cp command, but vmware says otherwise.  Thoughts on
this?  Disclaimer: I'm no vmware guru, but I do read a lot of documentation.

"To prevent performance and data management related issues on ESX, avoid
the use of using scp, cp, or mv for storage operations; instead use
vmkfstools, VMware's virtual machine Importer tool. "

Source: https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1000936

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 10:39 PM Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
wrote:

> Shut the VM down, ssh or console in, copy the directory.  On Linux, it’s
> cp -R dir/ new-dir/
>
> Of course, it’s easier to cd into the datastore
>
> Once it’s copied, go into the vsphere client, browse the datastore into
> the new dir and import the vmx
>
> I’ve done this to make backup copies in addition to DRS for an upgrade
>
> On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Yes - I was quite surprised with the amount of time exporting/importing
> requires. Especially because, as far as I know, there is no way to export
> to a locally attached storage then pop that out/in and import. It has to be
> done via vsphere client and pc. We ended up putting a laptop on the same
> switch to speed things up a bit.
>
> I really wish there was a quicker way.
>
> Note: were using local storage on all our be7h servers.
>
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> On Jan 20, 2019, at 9:03 PM, James Andrewartha <
> jandrewartha at ccgs.wa.edu.au> wrote:
>
> For a major upgrade it seems pretty reasonable to me. I'd consider doing
> it just for testing even if I upgraded the production servers directly
> rather than shut them down and start up the upgraded ones. And if I was
> going to do a parallel upgrade, I'd probably upgrade once to test, then
> copy the production servers across again and do it for real. One thought
> that comes to mind is how quickly you can copy back the VMs from AWS to
> your production environment.
>
> "Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough enough
> to have a totally separate environment to run production in."
> https://twitter.com/stahnma/status/634849376343429120
>
> On 21/01/19 09:52, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps. But it’s an option.
>
> My preference would be to use on premise resources to create the offline
> network. This part of the discussion was focused on how you could use VWC
> on AWS to accomplish this if you didn’t have resources. The CSR would, if
> it works, allow you to connect devices on prem to the offline servers to do
> a more complete testing. But it’s not entirely necessary.
>
> It’s all what your more comfortable with, I guess. I’d rather double the
> amount of prep time to complete the upgrades offline in order to reduce the
> downtime to the production service. Especially when both CUCM and UCCX need
> to be upgraded simultaneously due to version compatibility.
>
>
>
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>
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> On Jan 20, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-voip at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does this sound a tad over engineered for an upgrade to anyone else, or is
> it just me?
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:28 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> That sounds like exactly what I want to do!
>>
>> Thx!
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Jan 19, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Dave Goodwin <dave.goodwin at december.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to connect from the outside then rig up a virtual router such
>> as a CSR that conndects to both the private and elastic side, establish a
>> L2L VPN tunnel to the elastic IP, route the private IPs across the VPN.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 9:31 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Very interesting!
>>>
>>> Having private IPs on a secondary switch is great. But if I can’t
>>> connect, then I can’t do full tests. We end up doing some mock migrations
>>> and stuff. Also testing phones, etc.
>>>
>>> But hey, still worth a shot!
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>>
>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>
>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>>> N1G 2W1
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>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave Goodwin <dave.goodwin at december.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want to bring your own IPs to AWS instances instead of using
>>> their Elastic IPs, you can do that now from what I understand:
>>>
>>> https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2018/10/announcing-the-general-availability-of-bring-your-own-ip-for-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/
>>>
>>> I don’t know if that functionality is compatible with VMC-AWS or not.
>>> Also, I’d think just like Charles suggested that you could use your own IPs
>>> on a private vSwitch or VM network.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:04 PM Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure, but let us know once you talk with your AWS / VMware sales
>>>> team.
>>>>
>>>> If you need one, let me know and I'll put you in touch :)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:01 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if there are additional services you could subscribe to.
>>>>> Front it with VPN/IP extension service so the vSwitch can be configured
>>>>> with any VLAN that the extra layer offers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>
>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON
>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>
>>>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2019 3:51 PM
>>>>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>> *Cc:* Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>;
>>>>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand, you cannot extend your IP, it's IP's assigned
>>>>> from AWS.  At least for public facing.  I'm assuming you can spin up
>>>>> another vswitch on the vsphere side and have private IP's, just like we can
>>>>> locally.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:48 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, in actuality, VMware on AWS seems like it will be the best
>>>>> replacement for a physical stack of bare metal servers for temporary use.
>>>>> As long as the IP address space was the same, you could simply shut them
>>>>> down and export after the migration was complete.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Side question…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how that works? Can you extend your IP address space into
>>>>> AWS without much effort?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>
>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON
>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>
>>>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Charles Goldsmith <wokka at justfamily.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2019 3:12 PM
>>>>> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca>
>>>>> *Cc:* Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>;
>>>>> cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are one of my customers, I can arrange that.  Do we have a web
>>>>> page where you can just go sign up, no.  But there are services that let
>>>>> you rent bare metal servers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VMware and AWS are teaming up to rent you vsphere on AWS bare metal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio at uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be a signal to professional services orgs out there to
>>>>> rent out UCS systems for offline upgrades. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *-sent from mobile device-*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>
>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON
>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>
>>>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:24 AM, Matthew Collins <mcollins at block.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree with Lelio but sometimes parallel upgrade are just not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve done 3 x 10.5 to 11.6 direct upgrade recently any only had one
>>>>> issue that wasn’t directly related to the upgrade. Other than that they
>>>>> have been pretty smooth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In your pre-checks don’t just check DB replication but also CUC and
>>>>> UCCX replication on the respective servers (utils uccx/cuc dbreplication
>>>>> status). Plus check from the pub and sub as on a CUC upgrade recently it
>>>>> kept failing, Turned out CUC replication wasn’t set up correctly. Ran the
>>>>> command from the Pub and it stated everything was good, Ran from the Sub
>>>>> said it was failed. Ended up re-building the CUC Sub. The issue came about
>>>>> from a host name change years back and some of the tables where not updated
>>>>> on the sub.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also double check the memory requirements. As 11.x requires 2 extra
>>>>> gig most of the OVA’s.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Upgrade timings going from 10.5 to 11.5/6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Memory upgrade where completed prior to upgrades.
>>>>>
>>>>> CUCM Upgrade Pub 90 Mins 7.5k OVA
>>>>> CUCM Upgrade Subs 60 Mins
>>>>> IM&P Upgrade Pub 70 Mins 5K OVA
>>>>> IM&P Upgrade Sub 50 Mins
>>>>>
>>>>> CUCM Switch Versions Pub 40 Mins
>>>>> CUCM Switch Versions Subs 30 Mins
>>>>> IM&P Switch Versions Pub 30 Mins
>>>>> IM&P Switch Versions Sub 30 Mins
>>>>>
>>>>> UCCX Upgrade Pub 80 Mins – 300 Agent OVA
>>>>> UCCX Upgrade Sub 60 Mins
>>>>> UCCX Switch Versions Pub 45 Mins
>>>>> UCCX Switch Versions Sub 30 Mins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew Collins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi
>>>>> *Sent:* 17 January 2019 16:37
>>>>> *To:* SK <cciecollab2017 at gmail.com>; cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will say one thing, if you have the opportunity to duplicate the
>>>>> environment in an off-line network and perform the upgrades there, then
>>>>> your migration will basically be downtime involved with shutting down old
>>>>> servers and turning up new servers. This is not trivial, by any stretch of
>>>>> the imagination. However, once you put some thought into it, I think you’ll
>>>>> find this method extremely valuable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You work out all the kinks in the offline network and repeat until you
>>>>> are satisfied.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You’ll need a couple of things to make this work, namely, a change
>>>>> freeze window and the “pre 8.0” enterprise parameter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We’ve done this twice now and it’s worked like a charm.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would hate to do upgrades on live systems.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lelio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>>>>
>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>
>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON
>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>
>>>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | lelio at uoguelph.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs | @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <image001.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cisco-voip <cisco-voip-bounces at puck.nether.net> *On Behalf Of
>>>>> *SK
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:48 AM
>>>>> *To:* cisco-voip at puck.nether.net
>>>>> *Subject:* [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are planning upgrade for our CUCM - CUC -UCCX platform from 10.5 to
>>>>> 11.5 soon  . UCCX will be on 11.6.2 mostly .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will appreciate any pointers on known bugs / challenges .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you .
>>>>>
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