[Heath] Heath Digest, Vol 16, Issue 17

Lou beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net
Thu Apr 19 19:33:06 EDT 2012


Tnx to all that replied...Now what I need are the alignment instructions for SB-100..

Tnx

Lou..

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>   1. Re: SB 100 and SB 102 (Glen Zook)
>   2. Re: SB 100 and SB 102 (Brian Wood)
>   3. Re: SB 100 and SB 102 (Kenneth G. Gordon)
>   4. Re: SB-200 Part info (Kenneth G. Gordon)
>   5. Re: SB 100 and SB 102 (G3OOU at aol.com)
>   6. Re: SB 100 and SB 102 (Kenneth G. Gordon)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Glen Zook <gzook at yahoo.com>
> To: Lou <beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net>, "heath at puck.nether.net"
> <heath at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
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> First of all, the LMO in the SB-102 is solid-state and the LMO in both the SB-100 and SB-101 are tube type.
> 
> Next, both the SB-101 and SB-102 came with the switch and circuitry so that the 400 Hz CW filter can be installed. ?The SB-100 does not have this.
> 
> The SB-101 and SB-102 have a switch position that allows frequency control from the external LMO (both receive and transmit) and the SB-100 does not have this.
> 
> There are 2 "spare" RCA jacks on the back of both the SB-101 and SB-102 which are not present in the SB-100.
> 
> The SB-100 and SB-101 use a 6AU6 as the receiver "front end" and the SB-102 uses a 6HS6 which gives a slight improvement. ?Unfortunately, the 6HS6 tubes are scarce these days and most have gone back to the 6AU6 when that tube goes bad.
> 
> Some SB-102 units came with solid-state LMOs not built by TRW. ?Those non-TRW LMOs often have problems "tracking" frequency between the 100 kHz points. ?That is, the calibration can be "way off" at the 1 kHz marks on the dial although generally accurate at the 100 kHz marks. ?The TRW LMOs track well within 1 kHz at the points between the 100 kHz marks.
> ?
> Glen, K9STH
> 
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> Website:  http://k9sth.com
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> From: Lou <beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: heath at puck.nether.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:00 PM
> Subject: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone tell me the specific differences 
> between the SB-100 and the SB -102..I don't have the manual for the SB 
> 100....
> ?
> Tnx
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> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:21:03 -0600
> From: "Brian Wood" <wood at lpbroadband.net>
> To: "'Lou'" <beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: heath at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
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> The SB-101 was the same as an SB-100 except for the CW filter and the
> ability to use an external LMO (the SB-640) so you could have independent
> control of transmit and receive frequencies. There were also two new phono
> jacks on the rear panel for easier connection of the SB-610 or -620. The
> SB-102 added a solid state LMO and improved receiver sensitivity (mainly by
> replacing the 6AU6 with a 6HS6), and upgrade kits for the latter improvement
> were made available for the SB-101. There was also an accessory jack on the
> SB-102 that allowed for connection of the SB-500 transverter.
> 
> 
> 
> Brian, W0DZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: heath-bounces at puck.nether.net [mailto:heath-bounces at puck.nether.net]
> On Behalf Of Lou
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:00 PM
> To: heath at puck.nether.net
> Subject: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone tell me the specific differences between the SB-100 and the SB
> -102..I don't have the manual for the SB 100....
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx
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> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:37:56 -0700
> From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
> To: Lou <beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: HeathKit <heath at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
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> On 18 Apr 2012 at 19:00, Lou wrote:
> 
>> Can someone tell me the specific differences between the SB-100 and
>> the SB -102..I don't have the manual for the SB 100....
> 
> There are quite a few.
> 
> For one thing, and the most obvious, all SB-102s used a solid-state LMO.
> 
> There are many differences in other parts of the various circuits. 
> 
> The AGC is a bit different, 
> 
> the "S" meter circuitry is different (in fact, there are at least three different "S" 
> meter circuits in the SB-102s alone) 
> 
> there are certain differences in the biasing and screen voltages for several 
> stages, 
> 
> the HP-23 power supply used with the SB-100 has lower B++ than the later 
> power supplies, 
> 
> the SB-102 used the 6HS6 instead of the earlier rigs' 6AU6 at the receiver 
> RF and 1st mixer (so did the later SB-101s and HW-101s), 
> 
> the SB-102 has added oscillator for use with crystal control, 
> 
> late SB-101s and all SB-102s were setup with a molex connector and special 
> switching for use with either an external LMO (the SB-640), or with 
> transverters, 
> 
> some SB-101s and SB-102s had glass-epoxy rather than phenolic boards for 
> the small circuit boards that contains the parts around the bandswitch, 
> 
> if I am not mistaken, the SB-102 came stock with the 400 Hz CW filter 
> whereas that was optional with the earlier rigs, 
> 
> etc.
> 
> I modified my first SB-100 to an SB-101 standard shortly after I got it, but 
> that was at least 50 years ago, and I cannot now remember all the changes I 
> made at the time.
> 
> Perhap Bob G3OOU, or Glenn Zook, can fill us in on more details. Both of 
> those folks are experts at those rigs.
> 
> Heathkit seems to have had particular trouble with making the "S" meter 
> stable. They used several different versions in all their SB/HW allbanders.
> 
> Ken W7EKB
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:38:51 -0700
> From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
> To: rharris283 at aol.com
> Cc: HeathKit <heath at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB-200 Part info
> Message-ID: <4F90318B.30676.2C49A86E at kgordon2006.frontier.com>
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> On 19 Apr 2012 at 0:25, rharris283 at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have an SB-200 that is missing the 10 meter 68 pf Silver Mica cap
>> for the tuned input. I just need to know the voltage of these. 500V or
>> 1KV? The rest of this amp looks like it was hardly used! Someone had
>> cut the cap out at one time. Manual just gives the part # 20-76 and
>> the 68 pf.  Thanks, Bob WB2UBW
> 
> 500 V
> 
> Ken W7EKB
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: G3OOU at aol.com
> To: kgordon2006 at frontier.com, beethoven1 at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: heath at puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
> Message-ID: <1d4b0.952a701.3cc1ae1c at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 19/04/2012 17:23:30 GMT Standard Time,  
> kgordon2006 at frontier.com writes:
> 
> 
>>  Can someone tell me the specific differences between the SB-100 and
>>  the SB -102..I don't have the manual for the SB  100....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> One additional item is that you can use the 6AH6 instead of the 6AU6 in the 
> receiver RF stage but you also need to change another 6AU6 to a 6AH6 or 
> use a  balancing resistor on the opposite heater rail to equalise the heater  
> currents - the 6AH6 requires 0.45A whereas the 6AU6 requires 0.30A. 
> 
> Personally I find the SB-101 receiver sensitivity perfectly adequate on all 
> bands except possibly 10m and with an evening noise level of S7-S8 on 80m  
> and 160m (special conversion) the extra gain from the 6AH6 is just not  
> required.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob F Burns
> C Eng,  FIET, MSE
> Amateur Radio Callsign: G3OOU
> Registered RSGB  Instructor
> G-QRP Member No: 6907; Zone: 14, QRA: IO91WH; WAB:  TQ25
> Secretary of Crystal Palace Radio & Electronics Club: _www.g3oou.co.uk_ 
> (http://www.g3oou.co.uk/) 
> Technical web site: _www.qsl.net/g3oou_ (http://www.qsl.net/g3oou) 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:49:45 -0700
> From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at frontier.com>
> To: Glen Zook <gzook at yahoo.com>
> Cc: HeathKit <heath at puck.nether.net>
> Subject: Re: [Heath] SB 100 and SB 102
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> On 19 Apr 2012 at 8:12, Glen Zook wrote:
> 
>> The SB-100 and SB-101 use a 6AU6 as the receiver "front end" and the
>> SB-102 uses a 6HS6 which gives a slight improvement.
> 
> More than "slight", in my experience and testing...
> 
>> ?Unfortunately,
>> the 6HS6 tubes are scarce these days and most have gone back to the
>> 6AU6 when that tube goes bad...
> 
> ...which they do very quickly since they are running beyond their maximum 
> ratings...
> 
> I have found that the 6AH6 will replace either the 6AU6 or the 6HS6 and will 
> work better than either of the other two tubes.
> 
> First of all, the 6AH6 is far more robust, far more easily available, and much 
> cheaper than the 6HS6, and it has identical filament current requirements 
> and almost identical transconductance.
> 
> It provides almost identical enhancement of RF gain, and the much lower 
> noise that the 6HS6 does.
> 
> I use 6AH6s routinely in all SB/HW all-banders that I restore.
> 
> Be aware that since the filament string in the SB-100/101/102/HW-
> 100/101/101W are connected in series-parallel, that BOTH the receiver RF 
> amp and the 1st receiver mixer must be exchanged together at once, 
> otherwise the filament string will become unbalanced.
> 
> The 6AU6 draws less filament current than either of the other two tubes 
> mentioned, and if you use a 6AU6 as the 1st receiver mixer, and either the 
> 6HS6 or the 6AH6 as the RF amp, or vice versa, the filament string will 
> become unbalanced.
> 
> Since the receiver RF amp and the 1st receiver mixer are on opposite sides 
> of that series-parallel filament string, replacing both of those two tubes with 
> tubes with higher filament current requirements will enable the filament string 
> to remain balanced.
> 
> Also, don't forget that in the SB-102 one of the tubes was changed from a 
> single-section tube to a dual-section tube, and that other section was used 
> as an optional crystal oscillator for crystal control of the transceiver 
> frequency.
> 
> Ken W7EKB
> 
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