[j-nsp] OT RE: Juniper Newbie Question re: Vendors

[Tony Li]

I think that someone out there needs to get a little perspective and
understand that some of his colleagues are a tad less scrupulous.  We
don't generalize and neither should you.

Tony


Scott Weeks wrote:
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> Someone took offense at my posting about sales critters who
> troll technical mailing lists for sales leads.  Delete now
> if you don't want to send a message to these people that
> this is extremely impolite and totally unacceptable.  I have
> deleted his name, since this was sent in private.  The
> person who sent it claims he has "never solicited for
> business on this list."  So, he's not the type of person I
> called slimy.
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>>>> Cisco vs. Juniper differences. I can't seem to  find a
> <snip>
>>>> who the standard vendors are for such items. If  anyone
>>>> has positive experiences with a great vendor to share,
>>>> please  let me know. Thanks!
> 
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>>> If anyone approaches you to sell you stuff based on your
>>> email to the list, I'd buy elsewhere.  This is just about
>>> inviting every salesslime lurking on the list to attack
>>> you with offers.  The only thing those folks understand
> is
>>> immediate financial consequence.
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>> I take great offence from you e-mail, I am in product
>> management for a resellar and have never solicited for
>> business on this list.
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>> There are many very professional sales people who
>> generally work very hard for their customers and take a
>> long term partnership view with their customers. All
>> business exist to make profit, or else they wouldn't be in
>> business. 
>>
>> If it wasn't for competition amongst sales people and
>> resellars, you would be paying list prices from the
>> manufactures. It is the competition in the channel that
>> drives down the prices you pay as an end user and that
>> alone.
>>
>> It is the manufactures who are about immediate financial
>> gain. I have worked for Notel and Cisco and know the sales
>> people in the manufactures are far less concerned about
>> your business than the people you are calling slime.
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> Anyone who trolls technical mailing lists for sales leads is
> being **VERY** impolite.  In the past I have posted one
> question to a technical mailing list and 5-6 sales trolls
> pounded me with 20+ emails and innumerable phone calls
> trying to sell me stuff.  That was for ONE posting!  None of
> them would take no for an answer, so I quit corresponding
> with them.  However, it took 2 weeks for them to stop
> spamming me.  Now, I just block them immediately.  It makes
> it intolerable to post to a technical mailing list when this
> happens.  Further, it's probably against the AUP of the
> list.
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> To be clear, when I post to a technical mailing list and am
> sent Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE) trying to sell me
> things the sender is nothing more than a slimy spammer.
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> scott
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