[j-nsp] EX4600 Vs QFX 5100 VS ACX 5048

[Colton Conor]

Mark,

Which problems does the ACX5048 have today? I realize there are multiple
models, but I specifically am talking about the ACX5048.

Also, Comcast is deploying the ACX2200 for their 2Gbps fiber to the
home/business product. I assume that means they are low cost devices.

So ASR920 vs Juniper ACX, what features are missing that you are getting
with the Cisco that you don't get with the Juniper? I realize this is an
unfair match. The ASR920 tops out at 6 10G interfaces. The ACX5048 has 48
10G and 6 40G interfaces. Price wise, both cost about the same to activate
6 10G ports on each. On the Juniper the 6 40G ports are enabled on the base
license.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:

>
>
> On 3/May/16 16:22, Saku Ytti wrote:
>
> > What is reasonable price? How much less than 3500EUR it needs to cost?
>
> Oooh, it can cost less :-).
>
>
> > Also if you look at actual CAPEX costs of running say mobile network,
> > the cost of IP equipment simply does not matter.
>
> Fair point - if it's a mobile network, budget for some IP routers may
> not be an issue.
>
> >  It matters to your BU
> > and thus your budget, but that is very narrow-minded planning, if
> > upper management does not see that you need more budget to do it right
> > and it does not impact bottom line, then you didn't do your homework
> > when choosing your employer.
>
> Agree.
>
> > I'm pretty sure the are MUCH happier with MX80 than they would have
> > been with Whales. I don't think Whales even support everything they
> > do, certainly didn't back then. They use NG-MVPN, seamless MPLS, L3
> > MPLS VPN at scale, per-vlan HQoS, RSVP-TE with affinity and list goes
> > on.
>
> Most of this supported on the ME3600X/3800X. The only one I know that is
> lacking is NG-MVPN support. Cisco kept pushing Rosen our way to avoid
> developing NG-MVPN on the ME3600X/3800X. Eventually, they got bored of
> the platform and put all their energy into the ASR920, which has NG-MVPN
> support natively.
>
>
> > I disagree. ASR1k does stateful firewalling, NAPT, crypto etc. None of
> > these what MX104 can do, unless you count putting another cpu in the
> > box with MS-MIC.
> > I don't think JNPR really has anything to compete against ASR1k.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> I was looking more at general routing features (we would not use an edge
> router as a firewall).
>
> The main competitor we needed for the ASR1000 was a box that could
> combine both high speed Ethernet and low speed non-Ethernet interfaces
> in the same chassis at a cost that makes sense. The ASR1000 does that
> very well, and for now, the MX104 does that well too.
>
> But I agree that when it comes to other high-touch features, the ASR1000
> kicks the MX104 hard!
>
>
> > ACX is definitely their competitor, may not be there for your
> > application (and this may be true for some other applications, someone
> > may not be able to do on ASR920 what ACX2k does), but both problems
> > are solvable by throwing money at it.
>
> I've asked Juniper to solve the problems on the ACX. They flat-out refused.
>
> They won't say I never gave them a chance - more times than they deserve.
>
> Mark.
>
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