[VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates

[Colin Brown]

I believe that it's not so simple as TDM v IP as well. For example a cable operator using VoIP for local lines would not use the indeterminate rates because they have a valid ANI and is originating from a local carrier(ilec/clec whatever).  The real problem comes in with pure VoIP originated services, however its trivial to mask the origin and assign a local USA number to calls.  The grey area in my mind comes in when you've assigned a US # for those calls when they are clearly physically originating internationally but have a US identification inside the headers.

Oh and Alex, I have seen a few us terminators offer that indeterminate rate deck. I think it's more of a CYA column combined with a bit of FUD to the originator so that the terminator can make a few hundredth's of a penny more per minute.



Colin

On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:

> How would the TDM vs IP provenance of a call normally be determined, on a technical level? 
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> -- Alex
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> Alex Balashov - Principal
> Evariste Systems LLC
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> "Hodovance, Heather" <Heather_Hodovance at cable.comcast.com> wrote:
> Alex,
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> From my experience the "indeterminate" rates are typically associated with the ability to determine if the origination point is a VoIP device or not. If the wholesale provider is unable to determine if the call was VoIP or TDM originated then the "indeterminate" rate would apply.  
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> Thanks, 
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> Heather Hodovance
> National Engineering & Technical Operations 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org [mailto:voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org] On Behalf Of Alex Balashov
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:23 PM
> To: voiceops at voiceops.org
> Subject: [VoiceOps] Interstate vs. intrastate rates
> 
> Traditionally, in our trunk routing and rating system, we deal with 
> intra- and inter-state rates by mapping the ANI and the DNIS to regions, 
> which in turn have prefix lists associated with them.  If the regions 
> match, it's an intrastate call.  If they don't match, it's interstate. 
> If one or both of them cannot be mapped to a region, our system allows 
> you to choose default inter- or intra- treatment in such situations.
> 
> Recently, a customer approached us with a rate deck, from one of their 
> wholesale termination vendors, that had an additional "indeterminate" 
> rate column on it.  The rates didn't seem to differ substantially from 
> the intrastate rates (which tend to be higher), but they were different.
> 
> Is this a new trend?   Is this something we need to support to be on the 
> ball?  Or is this an exotic vendor?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Alex Balashov - Principal
> Evariste Systems LLC
> 235 E Ponce de Leon Ave
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