[VoiceOps] Wholesale Orig Provider with Low DID MRC and LNP Fees

Carlos Alvarez caalvarez at gmail.com
Thu Jun 18 14:29:20 EDT 2015

Alex of course is quite on point.  For us, the migration from a
reseller/aggregator to a real carrier was the definition of "wholesale" in
both a cost and service perspective.  And that's both good and bad, too.
The good is obvious--pricing, technical ability, reliability.  The bad
includes things like Onvoy's horrifyingly bad customer portal, which takes
far longer to use than those from Vitelity, VoIP Innovations, et al.  In
the end though the cost savings justify the extra work.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>

> ‎Yes, I understand that wholesale pricing is, among other things, resale
> grade, in the sense that it leaves an industry-standard margin relative to
> prevailing retail market rates.
>> I was trying to allude with humour to the fact that there is,
> nevertheless, widespread disagreement as to how cheap is sufficiently
> cheap. The spread among suppliers is considerable. There are other
> variables--on-net, off-net, market tiers and interconnection areas, etc.
> At a minimum, we'd have to know the volumes involved to even begin to gain
> a sense of what kind of pricing the OP can hope to get. The legitimate
> wholesale pricing for 200k minutes would not strike someone with 5m minutes
> as "true wholesale". ‎
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> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Wholesale Orig Provider with Low DID MRC and LNP
> Fees
> On 06/18/2015 01:59 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
> On 06/18/2015 01:47 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
> What nationwide providers offers DID's at a true wholesale rate?
> What is a "true" wholesale rate? Isn't that a bit like asking, "Which
> major stores offer Old Spice at a true retail rate?" (i.e. a retail rate
> I'd like to pay)
> Seems straightforward enough of a term for me. Telephone numbers
> themselves don't have an actual cost, and in fact generate revenue for the
> LEC. Places that charge for example $10 a number are not wholesale rates.
> Places that cover a reasonable cost for LNP fees, cost recovery for
> maintenance/carrying cost/billing, a reasonable profit and expect you to
> know what you're doing. A true wholesale rate would be something you could
> make a reasonable profit with selling retail services to end users with.
> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/wholesale-price.html
> The cost of a good sold by a wholesaler. The wholesaler will usually
> charge a price somewhat higher than he or she paid to the producer, and the
> retailer who purchases the goods from the wholesaler will increase the
> price again when they sell the good in their store.
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