[VoiceOps] Wholesale Orig Provider with Low DID MRC and LNP Fees

David Wessell david at ringfree.biz
Thu Jun 18 14:31:57 EDT 2015

I'd like to add to Carlos's note that Onvoy purchased Vitelity, and they
are beginning to use the Vitelity portal now. I clarify because I do
business with them, think the world of them, and want everyone else to go
do business with them.


On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alex of course is quite on point.  For us, the migration from a
> reseller/aggregator to a real carrier was the definition of "wholesale" in
> both a cost and service perspective.  And that's both good and bad, too.
> The good is obvious--pricing, technical ability, reliability.  The bad
> includes things like Onvoy's horrifyingly bad customer portal, which takes
> far longer to use than those from Vitelity, VoIP Innovations, et al.  In
> the end though the cost savings justify the extra work.
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
> wrote:
>> ‎Yes, I understand that wholesale pricing is, among other things, resale
>> grade, in the sense that it leaves an industry-standard margin relative to
>> prevailing retail market rates.
>>>> I was trying to allude with humour to the fact that there is,
>> nevertheless, widespread disagreement as to how cheap is sufficiently
>> cheap. The spread among suppliers is considerable. There are other
>> variables--on-net, off-net, market tiers and interconnection areas, etc.
>> At a minimum, we'd have to know the volumes involved to even begin to
>> gain a sense of what kind of pricing the OP can hope to get. The legitimate
>> wholesale pricing for 200k minutes would not strike someone with 5m minutes
>> as "true wholesale". ‎
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>>   Original Message
>> From: Paul Timmins
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 14:08
>> To: voiceops at voiceops.org
>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Wholesale Orig Provider with Low DID MRC and LNP
>> Fees
>> On 06/18/2015 01:59 PM, Alex Balashov wrote:
>> On 06/18/2015 01:47 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>> What nationwide providers offers DID's at a true wholesale rate?
>> What is a "true" wholesale rate? Isn't that a bit like asking, "Which
>> major stores offer Old Spice at a true retail rate?" (i.e. a retail rate
>> I'd like to pay)
>> Seems straightforward enough of a term for me. Telephone numbers
>> themselves don't have an actual cost, and in fact generate revenue for the
>> LEC. Places that charge for example $10 a number are not wholesale rates.
>> Places that cover a reasonable cost for LNP fees, cost recovery for
>> maintenance/carrying cost/billing, a reasonable profit and expect you to
>> know what you're doing. A true wholesale rate would be something you could
>> make a reasonable profit with selling retail services to end users with.
>> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/wholesale-price.html
>> The cost of a good sold by a wholesaler. The wholesaler will usually
>> charge a price somewhat higher than he or she paid to the producer, and the
>> retailer who purchases the goods from the wholesaler will increase the
>> price again when they sell the good in their store.
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