[VoiceOps] Voice Peering

[Jawaid Bazyar]

Is there a good clear document somewhere describing how STIR/SHAKEN is
supposed to work?

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM Matthew Crocker via VoiceOps <
voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 24, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Peter Beckman via VoiceOps <
> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >
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> >
> > The challenge is how do you authenticate the end "carrier" or service
> > provider?
> >
>
> STIR/SHAKEN
>
>
> > Sure, anyone who leases numbers directly from NANPA can look up the
> carrier
> > of record and exchange traffic directly, but any business who also leases
> > numbers INDIRECTLY gets cut out and still needs to pay their upstream
> > carrier(s) to place/receive calls, either by channels or per minute, even
> > if their upstream is directly peered and not transiting the PSTN at all.
> >
> > If this would be for the end user, then NANPA would have to delegate to
> the
> > leasee, the leasee delegate to the reseller, the reseller to the end
> user,
> > then the end user could publish their VoIP contact info, and anyone could
> > call directly via VoIP, cutting out all of the middle peers.
> >
> > But, as another person said, this is ripe for abuse, and with no
> motivation
> > by NANPA or the larger carriers to make calls less expensive for the
> > reseller or end user, I see this going nowhere. Until there is some value
> > in NANPA (plus all the other country telephony organizations) and the
> > direct carriers leasing numbers to do so.
> >
> > Beckman
> >
> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps wrote:
> >>
> >> I can think of a few ways that could be adapted into a platform more
> like
> >> an Internet exchange, but as others have said, it just doesn't seem
> worth
> >> it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 5:31 PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps <
> >> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think schemes like DUNDI (and some of the others mentioned here)
> suffer
> >>> from a trust issue – what’s to prevent operator X from poisoning the
> >>> protocol with bogus “stolen” numbers?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:25 PM Jared Smith via VoiceOps <
> >>> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:49 AM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <
> >>>> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This was in another thread, but I broke it out into it's own
> >>>>> conversation. Someone had asked:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be
> interested
> >>>>> in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Just another point of VoIP history trivia at this point... but in
> >>>> addition to things like ENUM and ITAD, Mark Spencer of Asterisk fame
> also
> >>>> invented Dundi, which was an encrypted peer-to-peer protocol for route
> >>>> advertisement and discovery.  As far as I know, very few people
> besides me
> >>>> ever put it in production, but it worked really well at the time. (Of
> >>>> course, it's been about 17 or 18 years now since I used it in
> production.)
> >>>>
> >>>> -Jared
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