[VoiceOps] Voice Peering

[Ross Tajvar]

>  any business who also leases numbers INDIRECTLY gets cut out and still
needs to pay their upstream carrier(s) to place/receive calls
Yes, true...but I don't really care about retail consumers or resellers. If
they are doing enough VoIP volume that they care about peering, they can go
through the regulatory process and get their own OCN.

Similarly, I wouldn't peer with a business that used an internet connection
but didn't have their own ASN/IPs. It's just not worth it for me. If they
have that kind of need, they can participate the same way the grown-ups do.

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:13 PM Peter Beckman <beckman at angryox.com> wrote:

> The challenge is how do you authenticate the end "carrier" or service
> provider?
>
> Sure, anyone who leases numbers directly from NANPA can look up the carrier
> of record and exchange traffic directly, but any business who also leases
> numbers INDIRECTLY gets cut out and still needs to pay their upstream
> carrier(s) to place/receive calls, either by channels or per minute, even
> if their upstream is directly peered and not transiting the PSTN at all.
>
> If this would be for the end user, then NANPA would have to delegate to the
> leasee, the leasee delegate to the reseller, the reseller to the end user,
> then the end user could publish their VoIP contact info, and anyone could
> call directly via VoIP, cutting out all of the middle peers.
>
> But, as another person said, this is ripe for abuse, and with no motivation
> by NANPA or the larger carriers to make calls less expensive for the
> reseller or end user, I see this going nowhere. Until there is some value
> in NANPA (plus all the other country telephony organizations) and the
> direct carriers leasing numbers to do so.
>
> Beckman
>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps wrote:
>
> > I can think of a few ways that could be adapted into a platform more like
> > an Internet exchange, but as others have said, it just doesn't seem worth
> > it.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 5:31 PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps <
> > voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I think schemes like DUNDI (and some of the others mentioned here)
> suffer
> >> from a trust issue – what’s to prevent operator X from poisoning the
> >> protocol with bogus “stolen” numbers?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:25 PM Jared Smith via VoiceOps <
> >> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:49 AM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps <
> >>> voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This was in another thread, but I broke it out into it's own
> >>>> conversation. Someone had asked:
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be
> interested
> >>>> in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Just another point of VoIP history trivia at this point... but in
> >>> addition to things like ENUM and ITAD, Mark Spencer of Asterisk fame
> also
> >>> invented Dundi, which was an encrypted peer-to-peer protocol for route
> >>> advertisement and discovery.  As far as I know, very few people
> besides me
> >>> ever put it in production, but it worked really well at the time. (Of
> >>> course, it's been about 17 or 18 years now since I used it in
> production.)
> >>>
> >>> -Jared
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