[cisco-voip] Cisco MCS vs UCS Servers

Wes Sisk wsisk at cisco.com
Mon Sep 27 12:33:34 EDT 2010


I'd love to have the case number for this.  There is a known issue where 
platform can be reported incorrectly.

MCS-7845-I3 running CUCM 6.1.5/7.1.5 reporting wrong SysObjectID , Open 
CSCti88692
Physical Servers checking virtual model changes during system boot , 
Fixed CSCtd34630

<and another one i can't find right now where a backup of a vmware is 
restored on physical server but the platform is still detected as 
vmware. I previously posted it to the cisco-voip list>

/Wes


Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> This is the log from my TAC case, when trying to upgrade the 
> Subscriber (hardware) to match the version on the Publisher (VM), I 
> had the following error:
>
> ---
> 21 July 2010 23:39:03: PHONE LOG
> I did a utils system upgrade status and found this:
>
> DEBUG: Mismatch Manufacturer: expected VMware found IBM
>
> Customer is running the Publisher in VMWare and the Subscriber in a 
> 7835-I3.
>
> According to previous cases this cannot be done and customer has to 
> install all servers in VMWare or all in MCS servers.
> ---
>
> Now, this TAC engineer might have been wrong, but he clearly states 
> that these cannot be mismatched.  I wasn't necesarily looking for a 
> supported setup, I was merely trying to test hardware in a lab before 
> deploying out to a remote site, and do a bit of lab work prior.  I ran 
> across an error during the upgrade and the resultant debug turned up 
> the above mentioned message.
>
> I didn't do an exhaustive search, but I don't see anywhere in the docs 
> where you can mix and match between VM (on UCS) and hardware, nor did 
> I find anything mentioning that you can't.
>
> FWIW, I hope it works out for the people trying it..
> Charles
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nick Matthews <matthnick at gmail.com 
> <mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     If your VMware publisher wasn't on a UCS server, then it isn't
>     supported.  3rd party hardware isn't supported yet, except for Unity.
>
>     -nick
>
>
>     On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Charles Goldsmith
>     <wokka at justfamily.org <mailto:wokka at justfamily.org>> wrote:
>
>         Interesting, I was told by TAC that it was not supported.  To
>         burn in hardware and to do some lab work before I put a
>         subscriber into production, I paired it with a virtual
>         publisher, upgrade on them failed miserably (they would run at
>         the default version off the DVD), but I couldn't upgrade from
>         whatever 8.x I had on DVD to current.  
>
>         If anyone wants details on this, I can dig it up, I had posted
>         on here with the upgrade errors, when no response was had,
>         opened a case on it and was told no.
>
>         BTW, my subscriber was an IBM server, 7835 series.
>
>         YMMV
>         Charles
>
>
>         On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Nick Matthews
>         <matthnick at gmail.com <mailto:matthnick at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Yes.  Some of the limitations of the hardware are things
>             like MoH live feeds, your console dumps now go somewhere
>             else, RTMT hardware stats are replaced with some
>             VMware/UCS equivalents, etc.  But from an application
>             layer it's the same.  It does however know how much
>             CPU/disk/memory you've given it and shows on the about screen.
>
>             -nick
>
>             On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM, STEVEN CASPER
>             <SCASPER at mtb.com <mailto:SCASPER at mtb.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Interesting.... For me to upgrade to 8.x I need to
>                 replace 4 of my subscribers and my publisher next year
>                 however I just purchased some HP G6 servers to replace
>                 my 7835 servers. Can you mix virtual subscribers and a
>                 publisher with MCS type subscriber and TFTP servers?
>                  
>                 Steve
>
>                 >>> Ahmed Elnagar <ahmed_elnagar at rayacorp.com
>                 <mailto:ahmed_elnagar at rayacorp.com>> 9/23/2010 7:01 PM >>>
>
>                 Cisco SEs is pushing on the virtualization for new
>                 customers and customers considering upgrading to
>                 version 8.x…be aware that all H series is already EOS
>                 due to the bad relationship between Cisco and HP
>                 “obviuolsy the UCS was part of the fight” IBM servers
>                 has a lot of problems “this is from my own personal
>                 point of view”.
>
>                  
>
>                 UCS is great C series configuration is to support 4 X
>                 7945 server and the cost is significantly less than
>                 hardware server…plus the added benefits like hardware
>                 efficiency and DC sizing for large customers…etc.
>
>                  
>
>                 The drawbacks would be that you will need experience
>                 not only in UC part but add to it the VMware and UCS
>                 itself…if you are going to B series it is more
>                 complicated than the C series.
>
>                  
>
>                 A great advantage for UCS is that you are able to have
>                 a sort of a “redundant Publisher server” as the
>                 database is stored in SAN and if the engineer fails it
>                 switches over to another own automatically so as if
>                 you have a redundant server “but I think this is
>                 supported with the B series” I am not very aware of
>                 deep technical info in this part.
>
>                  
>
>                 If I were you I would go with UCS C series “for easier
>                 management”
>
>                  
>
>                 And remember; all the world is going virtual J
>
>                  
>
>                  Best Regards;
>
>                   Ahmed Elnagar
>
>                   Senior Network PS Engineer
>
>                   Mob: +2019-0016211
>
>                   CCIE#24697 (Voice)
>
>                  ccie_voice_large.gif
>
>                  
>
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>                 *Subject:* [cisco-voip] Cisco MCS vs UCS Servers
>
>                  
>
>                 Hi everyone,
>
>                  
>
>                   I noticed Cisco has the new UCS C and B series
>                 servers.  Does anyone have any thoughts as to whether
>                 these are the way to go or not?  Do they perform
>                 better than the MCS H or I series?  Also since these
>                 are out now, does anyone know if there are plans to
>                 put the remainder of the MCS servers EOL?  BTW, this
>                 would be for a new CUCM 8 installation.
>
>                  
>
>                 Thanks,
>
>                 Bill Hendrix 
>
>                  
>
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