[VoiceOps] Request to block number?

Wed Sep 20 13:14:23 EDT 2023

 You can’t even have a dashcam recording on a loop in Germany for the
purposes of proving the events of a collision, so there’s definitely a huge
difference in restrictions and freedom.

On Sep 20, 2023 at 10:02:45 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps <
voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:

> Hello Alex,
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I don't want to start a legal discussion; in
> the end we are probably no lawyers. 😉
>
> yes, at least in German/European law this are two different things. Its of
> course much easier to record a call, especially if one side (like the
> customer) give consent to it. This happens all the time e.g. for purchases
> or quality assurance calls, similar as in the US I assume.
>
> Sharing a recorded call publicly is another thing, and more restricted for
> obvious reasons.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Henning
>
> --
> Henning Westerholt – https://skalatan.de/blog/
> Kamailio services – https://gilawa.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Alex
>
> Balashov via VoiceOps
>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 20. September 2023 18:07
>
> To: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?
>
>
> I thought I stated the recording law accurately?
>
>
> I think Henning was inquiring not so much about the legality of recording
> per
>
> se (which you have accurately addressed) as publicising the recording. As
> far
>
> as I know, US state and federal laws do not have a specific statute
> against this
>
> as long as the recording was legally made in the first place.
>
>
> -- Alex
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:03 PM, Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I’m surprised that you’re not aware of the laws on this (or lack of).
> There are
>
> only a small number of states with all party consent laws, most are single
>
> party.  You just can’t record a third-party conversation where you are not
>
> involved, and they don’t know you’re recording.
>
> >
>
> > It leads to a complexity that I’m trying to help a customer with now.
> What if
>
> someone in AZ (single party) calls a person in CA (all party)?  Further,
> what if
>
> the server is in AZ, but the caller is in an all party state, and they
> call a single
>
> party state?  Etc.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Sep 20, 2023 at 2:16:02 AM, Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >> Under US law, if the recording was obtained lawfully (that is, if
> consent was
>
> obtained from both parties, or if the US state in question does it require
>
> consent from both parties, only one party), there is no specific
> prohibition
>
> against publicising it that I'm aware of.
>
> >>
>
> >> —
>
> >> Sent from mobile, apologies for brevity and errors.
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 3:52 AM, Henning Westerholt via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>  Hello,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> kind of interesting that you post a recording of incoming call
> publicly on
>
> this list. For the record, I did not listen to it.
>
> >>> Under German law this would be probably a criminal offence with a
>
> penalty of 2 up to 5 years prison, depending on your position and how
> serious
>
> the infringement is.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> About the US laws you know of course better, I was just surprised.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Cheers,
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Henning
>
> >>>
>
> >>> --
>
> >>> Henning Westerholt – https://skalatan.de/blog/ Kamailio services –
>
> >>> https://gilawa.com
>
> >>>
>
> >>> From: VoiceOps <voiceops-bounces at voiceops.org> On Behalf Of
>
> >>> Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps
>
> >>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 19:32
>
> >>> To: Carlos Alvarez <caalvarez at gmail.com>
>
> >>> Cc: VoiceOps <voiceops at voiceops.org>
>
> >>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Request to block number?
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Here is another link if that one didn't work -
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0dff3yxAUUyWu_Nd9ddlMGY8w#2023
>
> %5F
>
> >>> September%5F19%5F095014%5FEST-
>
> EDT%5FInbound%5F4845791377%5F716961616
>
> >>> 1%5F714
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:19 PM Christopher Aloi <ctaloi at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> >>> I appreciate the concern, and the thought crossed our minds.  He called
>
> twice and once ended up in sales and once in support and he didn't seem to
> be
>
> interested in who he spoke with.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Here is a recording of the call..
>
> >>>
>
> >>> https://vaspian-my.sharepoint.com/personal/caloi_vaspian_com/_layout
>
> >>>
>
> s/15/stream.aspx?id=%2Fpersonal%2Fcaloi%5Fvaspian%5Fcom%2FDocume
>
> nts%
>
> >>>
>
> 2F2023%5FSeptember%5F19%5F095014%5FEST%2DEDT%5FInbound%5F4
>
> 845791377%
>
> >>> 5F7169616161%5F714%2Emp3&ga=1
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:12 PM Carlos Alvarez via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >>> Is it possible that he’s fixated on a specific employee?  Not to be
> alarmist,
>
> but it’s worth asking around.  I once had a situation where I noticed some
>
> crazy calling activity in a log, just by coincidence, and found that an
> employee
>
> was being stalked/harassed.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Sep 19, 2023 at 10:08:33 AM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >>> Ha!  He did say "he has no self control".  Maybe just someone with some
>
> mental challenges.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 1:05 PM Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >>> Does your company provide anything of interests to addicts, or
>
> >>> anyone with a compulsive habit they are trying to kick? (e.g.
>
> >>> compulsive shopping for new VoIP handsets)
>
> >>>
>
> >>> > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Aloi via VoiceOps
>
> <voiceops at voiceops.org> wrote:
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > Hey All,
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > I have a new one.
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > We (hosted phone provider) have received three calls today from an
>
> individual asking us to block him from calling our company.  I can't
> figure out
>
> his end game.  He's tried multiple times and didn't explain why when
>
> questioned.  He said multiple times he wanted his number to be blocked from
>
> calling our company.
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > Thoughts?
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > Could it be a social engineering attempt?  What for?
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> > Chris
>
> >>> >
>
> >>> >
>
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>
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>
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